I just nabbed one off the bay. Always wanted a model 5 and liked this private label one since a jeweler from my hometown had lincoln bucks specials. i doubt i'll ever know if this is one of his too, but its a fitting watch to go witht he rest.
Its an incredible collection you have ammassed here. keep the great pictures coming.
Nice example, Jared. Double-signed private-label Model 5s are rare indeed, especially two-toned watches.
Thanks Rob, but I've already got one.
The watch in question is a two-toned 21-jewel Model 5, and I'm assuming it's a variant of the Grade 248, even though it's unmarked. All the Seth research I've done only admits to three grades of 21-jewel movements: the 248, the 260, and the Maiden Lane. One catalog I found claimed the 248 came in two-tone, but the 248 is supposed to be Adjusted to 3 Positions, and this variant, along with Rob's and all the others like it, are not marked as such.
Below is a grade chart put together from all the sources I could find so far. Every grade number printed in a catalog or advertisement is listed here.
Based on the chart on the previous page and the lack of company records, I can't assign a grade stamp to this watch, but it seems to be the only 21-jewel two-tone Model 5 that Seth Thomas made.
The brightwork on this piece is exceptional, and I believe the watch to be all original. There are two variants of it that I know of - one has a rosette around the barrel arbor, and the other style does not:
With all the nice model 5 Seth Thomas's Eric has been showing, so I had to get my own! I got my "Lincoln Special" in yesterday and got it cleaned up today. The dial does have a couple hairlines, otherwise very clean.
21 jewels and adjusted to six positions, it was Seth Thomas's workhorse Rail Road watch. Like it's little brother, the 248, it had two known patterns, a straightline pinstripe and this fancier circles-and-rosettes one:
I love this! I guess I will have to post some of the serial numbers and pictures I have collected on Seths too. Most of mine are from over a year ago and from ebay, but lots of photos and serial numbers!! Let me know if you would like a copy of the numbers or photos. Some are not that good, but most are ok for identification.
I have a pretty nice Seth, but not at all like your gorgeous photos here. Never did figure out how many jewels it has.
Private label Maiden Lane Sn 208810 really nice movement and private label dial, and will post it when my camera charges up.
Eric, and/or Dave, the Fat Book states "A Double Roller grade is identified by a recessed area under the balance wheel", the caption is referring to a Maiden Lane. Sheila's watch appears to have that recessed area, would this indicate a double roller on the 260 as well? Assuming your answer will be yes is a single roller 260 less collectable/valuable?
Lorne, my only sightings of a double roller (with a recessed well under the balance) showed up on Model 5s marked above 350,000 - extremely late in the total run. It's been noted before that no Model 5 with a serial number higher than 352,00 has been seen. As to collectibility, that's in the eye of the beholder.