Internet Horology Club 185
In Search Of Seth Thomas
October 22, 2011, 11:34Eric Unselt
In Search Of Seth Thomas
The movement is an interesting variant of the 17-jewel lever-set Grade 182: a gold-flashed pattern over a matte nickel finish.
October 23, 2011, 21:33John A. Grennan III
Wow, so very cool.
November 12, 2011, 01:27Robert V. Jones
That is quite a collection of Seth's thanks for sharing them. You should have that one I have up for sale to add to your collection
November 12, 2011, 11:40Jared Brinker
I just nabbed one off the bay. Always wanted a model 5 and liked this private label one since a jeweler from my hometown had lincoln bucks specials. i doubt i'll ever know if this is one of his too, but its a fitting watch to go witht he rest.
Its an incredible collection you have ammassed here. keep the great pictures coming.
November 12, 2011, 15:32Eric Unselt
Nice example, Jared. Double-signed private-label Model 5s are rare indeed, especially two-toned watches.
Thanks Rob, but I've already got one.
The watch in question is a two-toned 21-jewel Model 5, and I'm assuming it's a variant of the Grade 248, even though it's unmarked. All the Seth research I've done only admits to three grades of 21-jewel movements: the 248, the 260, and the Maiden Lane. One catalog I found claimed the 248 came in two-tone, but the 248 is supposed to be Adjusted to 3 Positions, and this variant, along with Rob's and all the others like it, are not marked as such.
Below is a grade chart put together from all the sources I could find so far. Every grade number printed in a catalog or advertisement is listed here.
November 12, 2011, 15:45Eric Unselt
Based on the chart on the previous page and the lack of company records, I can't assign a grade stamp to this watch, but it seems to be the only 21-jewel two-tone Model 5 that Seth Thomas made.
The brightwork on this piece is exceptional, and I believe the watch to be all original. There are two variants of it that I know of - one has a rosette around the barrel arbor, and the other style does not:
November 12, 2011, 15:47Eric Unselt
It's fronted by the extremely rare 24-hour Montgomery Arabic dial with matching spade-and-poker hands:
November 12, 2011, 15:48Eric Unselt
All wrapped up in a nice Philadelphia 20-year case:
November 19, 2011, 16:35Jared Brinker
With all the nice model 5 Seth Thomas's Eric has been showing, so I had to get my own! I got my "Lincoln Special" in yesterday and got it cleaned up today. The dial does have a couple hairlines, otherwise very clean.
November 19, 2011, 16:38Jared Brinker
Here is the 2-tone movement, very beautiful as always with these.
November 19, 2011, 16:44Jared Brinker
The plain back Fahy's Montauk case is in very nice shape too to boot. No extra case screw marks either.
November 20, 2011, 19:11Eric Unselt
One of Seth's highest-end marked grades was the 260. This example sports a scarce light Arabic dial with traintracks at the outer edge.
November 20, 2011, 19:12Eric Unselt
21 jewels and adjusted to six positions, it was Seth Thomas's workhorse Rail Road watch. Like it's little brother, the 248, it had two known patterns, a straightline pinstripe and this fancier circles-and-rosettes one:
November 20, 2011, 19:16Eric Unselt
Ensconced in an unusual 20th Century watch case:
November 20, 2011, 21:22Steve Middlesworth
With your camera work you could make a dollar watch look very, very nice. All very nice looking ST movements guys.
November 22, 2011, 00:57Sheila Gilbert
I love this! I guess I will have to post some of the serial numbers and pictures I have collected on Seths too. Most of mine are from over a year ago and from ebay, but lots of photos and serial numbers!! Let me know if you would like a copy of the numbers or photos. Some are not that good, but most are ok for identification.
I have a pretty nice Seth, but not at all like your gorgeous photos here. Never did figure out how many jewels it has.
Private label Maiden Lane Sn 208810 really nice movement and private label dial, and will post it when my camera charges up.
Great photos and wonderful information too!
November 22, 2011, 01:20David Abbe
Sheila is being too polite. She has a very nice 260 she "saved" when she picked it up from eBay in 2008, and it took awhile but we got it back in order . . .
November 22, 2011, 01:22David Abbe
While it may not be as fancy as the others here, it IS a 260, and Sheila rescued it from a sad end. The whole story is at;https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...=230101001#230101001
November 22, 2011, 17:48John A. Grennan III
Yes, post them, I love to see photos of IHC member's watches.
November 22, 2011, 18:30Lorne Wasylishen
Eric, and/or Dave, the Fat Book states "A Double Roller grade is identified by a recessed area under the balance wheel", the caption is referring to a Maiden Lane. Sheila's watch appears to have that recessed area, would this indicate a double roller on the 260 as well? Assuming your answer will be yes is a single roller 260 less collectable/valuable?
November 22, 2011, 18:50Eric Unselt
Lorne, my only sightings of a double roller (with a recessed well under the balance) showed up on Model 5s marked above 350,000 - extremely late in the total run. It's been noted before that no Model 5 with a serial number higher than 352,00 has been seen. As to collectibility, that's in the eye of the beholder.
November 22, 2011, 19:11Lorne Wasylishen
Thanks Eric, the recessed area and damaskeening within certainly does add another visual dimension.