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Union Watch Revisited . . . Not a "Fake" "Click" to Login or Register 
IHC Life Member
Picture of David Abbe
posted March 15, 2012 17:35
Recently, Rob Jones posted a picture (below) and asked about a "Union Watch" that he was trying to evaluate. Many felt it may be a "Swiss Fake". The discussion is at;

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...6047761/m/6893943077

 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
IHC Life Member
Picture of David Abbe
posted March 15, 2012 17:38
As in my opinion a "Swiss Fake" looks much like a Classic US-Made watch like this one . . .

 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
IHC Life Member
Picture of David Abbe
posted March 15, 2012 17:44
I suggested that Rob's was NOT a "Fake", and was actually listed in Ehrhardt Meggans, although they had no picture due to scarcity of the watch. So Rob let me acquire it for further research . . . The FIRST thing I found on dis-assembly were Laminated Pallet Jewels, VERY High end Swiss, often Hand-Made . . .

 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
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Picture of David Abbe
posted March 15, 2012 17:45
The second thing became obvious soon afterwards, this was a Hand-Made watch including Hand finished Escapement insert plate, layout compass scribe marks for the wheel train and a stopworks Motor Barrel! Hardly "Fake" work . . .

 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
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Picture of David Abbe
posted March 15, 2012 17:47
The 18K Gold filled case has all matching numbers . . .

 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
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Picture of David Abbe
posted March 15, 2012 17:48
The plates are marked Union Watch Co., Boston, in two places, also marked "1st Series" and all the key components have matching "7551" serial numbers . . .

 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
IHC Life Member
Picture of David Abbe
posted March 15, 2012 17:55
After finishing it up, all I can say is that a watch that is this old, presents this well, runs this good, and looks this "different" IS a Swiss watch, 1870 or so but IS NOT a "Swiss Fake" and hardly a "copy".

 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
posted March 15, 2012 18:23
David-

Looks like a beauty all finished up.

Thanks,

Jared
 
Posts: 1626 | Location: North Dakota in the USA | Registered: December 09, 2009
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Picture of Eugene Buffard
posted March 16, 2012 07:32
Dave you truely have an eye for quality. And I am impressed at your skill. Have you had any luck with second hand pinions. Someone cut one off a very rare watch of mine before I received it.
 
Posts: 3326 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
Picture of Brian C.
posted March 16, 2012 10:28
Dave, I agree, Swiss but not a Swiss fake. Pictures really do help.
 
Posts: 1857 | Location: Epsom, New Hampshire USA | Registered: December 14, 2002
posted March 16, 2012 17:26
So what's the difference between a Swiss watch and a Swiss fake?

One that's meant to look like an American (or other) brand?
 
Posts: 2962 | Location: Western New York in the USA | Registered: March 24, 2008
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Picture of Robert V. Jones
posted March 16, 2012 17:36
Looks good Dave always nice to see a watch all restored. There wasnt much wrong with it was there?
 
Posts: 3468 | Location: Cleveland, Georgia in the U.S.A. | Registered: February 03, 2006
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Picture of David Abbe
posted March 16, 2012 19:34
Nope Rob, it is fins and going on eBay tonight.
 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
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