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Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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I just bought Elgin Overland and it will need dial
and I just wonder what will be the correct one
watch is from 1905
2 more pictures at bottom of post.

 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
IHC Member 1508
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Peter, I have two of them. And it's my understanding that they came with a "faux" double sunk dial. They look double sunk but they're not. Arabic numerals, red 5 minute markers, and "ELGIN" in block letters. I'll see if I can post a pic. Regards, Brad
 
Posts: 956 | Location: Wenatchee, Washington in the USA | Registered: December 14, 2010
IHC Member 1508
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Like this

 
Posts: 956 | Location: Wenatchee, Washington in the USA | Registered: December 14, 2010
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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Thanks.
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
IHC Life Member
Picture of David Abbe
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Peter, these were the dials that passed through my collection . . . looks like the later ones have Arabic dials . . .

 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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Thank you Dave that helps alot.
I like dial #1 and #3
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
IHC Member 1610
Picture of Harry J. Hyaduck Sr.
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Peter here is a link to a IHC page where Gary sold a 1903 Overland. I don't know enough about them to know if the dial is correct but I like it.
https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...6095371/m/5903957777
 
Posts: 3858 | Location: Georgia in the USA | Registered: September 22, 2011
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Probably double sunk or the pressed center dials would be correct. I think from what I have seen depending on the Overland grade they started with a double sunk dial and later as the name and grade diminished they ended up with the pressed center dials. Since there were several Elgin grades that were marked Overland and some grades that carried as many as 3 markings, typically Overland, GM Wheeler, or Elgin National Watch Co, or as some would say no marking.

In the case of the ones Dave posted, I would have expected the 3rd watch (L-R) to have the same dial as the first one with a DS <<Elgin>> font, I can't read the SN on the first one so I'll assume it is an earlier grade, the middle one is a later Overland grade and seeing the pressed center Elgin font does not surprise me.
 
Posts: 1797 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
IHC Life Member
Picture of David Abbe
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The first one in my pics is a 10,000,00 range, or about 1903. The Thrid one is a 6,000,000 or about 1895. Thise dials are probably correct. The middle one looks like it may be a replaced dial.
 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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here are few pictures of the finish watch
dial from ebay new mainspring from our own
Brian C. and cleaning by Zenith fluids.

 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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back of the case

 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
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Peter your Overland is a 279 so I would expect it to have the <<Elgin>> font and probably with a SS dial. The earlier versions I would expect to have <<Elgin>> with a DS dial but the very early ones you are into the time from when Elgin was moving from the ENWC font to the <<Elgin>> font. The later grade 353 Overland you would typically find with the pressed center Elgin block font, which Elgin did for its mid-segment 17j 16/18 size grades.
 
Posts: 1797 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
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