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Overland dial help needed.Pictures added.

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March 26, 2013, 19:53
Peter Kaszubski
Overland dial help needed.Pictures added.
I just bought Elgin Overland and it will need dial
and I just wonder what will be the correct one
watch is from 1905
2 more pictures at bottom of post.


March 26, 2013, 21:04
Brad Richardson
Peter, I have two of them. And it's my understanding that they came with a "faux" double sunk dial. They look double sunk but they're not. Arabic numerals, red 5 minute markers, and "ELGIN" in block letters. I'll see if I can post a pic. Regards, Brad
March 26, 2013, 21:09
Brad Richardson
Like this


March 26, 2013, 21:15
Peter Kaszubski
Thanks.
March 26, 2013, 21:29
David Abbe
Peter, these were the dials that passed through my collection . . . looks like the later ones have Arabic dials . . .


March 26, 2013, 22:29
Peter Kaszubski
Thank you Dave that helps alot.
I like dial #1 and #3
March 26, 2013, 23:18
Harry J. Hyaduck Sr.
Peter here is a link to a IHC page where Gary sold a 1903 Overland. I don't know enough about them to know if the dial is correct but I like it.
https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...6095371/m/5903957777
March 28, 2013, 11:53
Claude Griffith
Probably double sunk or the pressed center dials would be correct. I think from what I have seen depending on the Overland grade they started with a double sunk dial and later as the name and grade diminished they ended up with the pressed center dials. Since there were several Elgin grades that were marked Overland and some grades that carried as many as 3 markings, typically Overland, GM Wheeler, or Elgin National Watch Co, or as some would say no marking.

In the case of the ones Dave posted, I would have expected the 3rd watch (L-R) to have the same dial as the first one with a DS <<Elgin>> font, I can't read the SN on the first one so I'll assume it is an earlier grade, the middle one is a later Overland grade and seeing the pressed center Elgin font does not surprise me.
March 28, 2013, 13:55
David Abbe
The first one in my pics is a 10,000,00 range, or about 1903. The Thrid one is a 6,000,000 or about 1895. Thise dials are probably correct. The middle one looks like it may be a replaced dial.
April 02, 2013, 15:31
Peter Kaszubski
here are few pictures of the finish watch
dial from ebay new mainspring from our own
Brian C. and cleaning by Zenith fluids.


April 02, 2013, 15:32
Peter Kaszubski
back of the case


April 03, 2013, 14:08
Claude Griffith
Peter your Overland is a 279 so I would expect it to have the <<Elgin>> font and probably with a SS dial. The earlier versions I would expect to have <<Elgin>> with a DS dial but the very early ones you are into the time from when Elgin was moving from the ENWC font to the <<Elgin>> font. The later grade 353 Overland you would typically find with the pressed center Elgin block font, which Elgin did for its mid-segment 17j 16/18 size grades.