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This is the serial number, case number, etc. list I have been working on for Howard Series 11 Rail Road Chronometers.

I started gathering this list when I noticed a watch David Abbe posted had the damaskeened pattern & I had not seen that before. I started searching this site, Ebay & any where else on the web I could find information on these.

There are other differences in different runs of the Series 11, some have a bar click, some rotary, some have the arrow & star symbol, some do not. It also appears that these only came from the factory in Keystone/Howard cases (Keystone owned Howard). They used either a swing out case of the double cross bar safety bow case.

The only way I could post this & keep my format was to post it as an image, if there is a trick to posting & keeping your original spacing I would like to know how to do that.

You will notice that the 1st few serial numbers are not complete & every serial number does not have the complete info. Some of the images & posts I looked at either I could not read them information of the images or it wasn't listed.

This is a work in progress, if you see a benefit in doing this please send me any information you have & I will add it to these lists.

One thing I did not know until Lindell told me is there were yellow gold & green gold cases & white gold cases, so you will see one in the list labeled DCBG & that means Double Cross Bar Green. He also told me that there were pattern back cases, since when I started this I wasn't paying attention to the cases I did not note their color or if they had a pattern back, so I need to go back & try to determine that.

Look forward to hearing any comments.

Also if anyone has a break down of the run numbers for Series 11 Chronometers I sure could use it.

Tom

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_______E. HOWARD SERIES 11 RAILROAD CHRONOMETER DATABASE_______

________________ACTUAL MOVEMENT AND CASE COMBINATIONS______________

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_____Mvt Number___DMK____Click___A&S__Case Number___Case Style________

______1114175_____No_____Unk___Unk____5425510_______SO/Y _________
______1181139_____No_____Bar____No ____1012231_______SO/? _________
______1181162_____No_____Bar____No ____Unknown______SO/Y _________
______1181758_____No_____Unk___Unk____1587836_______DCB/?________
______1182455_____No_____Bar____No____1511159_______SO/Y _________
______1182705_____No_____Bar____Unk___1512389_______SO/Y__________
______1182993_____No_____Bar____No____1017303_______SO/? __________
______1183344_____No_____Bar____No____1010857_______SO/Y___________
______1183582_____No_____Bar____No____Unknown______Unk __________
______1183706_____No_____Bar____No____Non-original__________________
______1183759_____No_____Bar____No____1013649_______SO//? _________
______1183955_____No_____Bar____No____Non-original__________________
______1183966_____No_____Bar____No____15013195_____SO/Y___________
______1184861_____No_____Bar____No____1502702______SO/Y___________
______1185000_____No_____Bar____No____Unknown______SO/? __________
______1185024_____No_____Bar____No____Non-original__________________
______1185031_____No_____Bar____No____1503163_______SO/? __________
______1185391_____No_____Bar____No____1502938_______SO/Y___________
______1185478_____No_____Bar____No____???????_______SO/Y___________
______1185530_____No_____Bar____No____1008477_______SO/? __________
______1185555_____No_____Bar____No____1016023_______SO/Y __________
______1185564_____No_____Bar____No____1502906_______SO/Y___________
______1185965_____No_____Bar____No____1502603_______SO/Y __________
______1186000_____No_____Bar____No____Unknown______DCB/?__________
______1186119_____No_____Bar____No____Unknown______Unk ___________
______1186149_____??______???____No___Unknown______Unk ___________
______1186390_____??______???____No___1587840_______DCB/?__________
______1186747_____??______???____No___Unknown______Unk ___________
______1186982_____No_____Bar____No____Unknown ______Unk ___________
______1188407_____No_____Rot____??____Unknown______Unk ____________
______1188457_____No_____Rot____Yes___1531469_______SO/Y___________
______1188589_____No_____Rot____Yes___1533480_______SO/? ___________
______1188671_____No_____Rot____Yes___Unknown______DCB/W_________
______1189184_____No_____Rot____Yes___1546053_______SO/Y __________
______1189191_____No_____Rot____Yes___1588423_______DCB/?__________
______1189385_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown_______SO/Y___________
______1189393_____No_____Bar____Yes___1559070_______DCB/W__________
______1260328_____No_____Rot____No____Non Original Case_____________
______1260640_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown______Unk ___________
______1260688_____No_____Rot____No____1513093_______SO/? ___________
______1260895_____No_____Rot____No____1080888_______SO/Y____________
______1261156_____No_____Rot____No____1515712______UNK__BOX LABEL___
______1261232_____No_____Rot____No____1526088______SO/Y___________
______1261559_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown______SO/Y___________
______1261783_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown______Not Howard Case__
______1261981_____No_____Rot____No____1087472_______SO/? ___________
______1262155_____No_____Rot____No____5451896_______SO/Y ___________
______1262871_____No_____Rot____No____1029336_______SO/Y____________
______1263421_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown_______SO/? ____________
______1263558_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown______Not Howard Case___
______1264038_____No_____Rot____No____1013590______SO/Y_____________
______1264355_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown______SO/? ____________
______1264367_____No_____Rot____No____1035569______SO/Y_____________
______1283464_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown______SO/Y_____________
______1283595_____No_____Rot____No____1038805______SO/Y_____________
______1283615_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown______Unk ____________
______1283674_____No_____Rot____No____1037221______SO/Y_____________
______1283814_____No_____Rot____No____1526830 _____SO/Y ____________
______1311241_____No_____Rot____No____1040735 _____SO/Y ____________
______1311369_____No_____Rot____No____1043809 _____SO/Y ____________
______1312793_____No_____Rot____No____1051275______SO/Y ____________
______1312874_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown______????_____________
______1312955_____No_____Rot____No____Unknown______SO/? ____________
______1313299_____No_____Rot____Yes___Unknown______Hinged back_______
______1313738_____No_____Rot____Yes___1524464______SO/Y_____________
______1313837_____No_____Rot____Yes___1524809______SO/Y_____________
______1317001_____??______??_____??___Unknown_____SO/? _____________
______1317165_____No_____Rot____Yes___1524855______SO/Y _____________
______1317351_____No_____Rot____Yes___1524999______SO/Y _____________
______1317795_____No_____Rot____Yes___1525888______SO/? ______________
______1318051_____No_____Rot____Yes___Unknown_____SO/Y ________
______1318767_____No_____Bar____Yes___1531417______SO/Y Santa Fe Engraved on back
______1360097_____No_____Rot____Yes___Non-original___????_________
______1360337_____No_____Rot____Yes___1558672_____DCB/W__________
______1360399_____No_____Rot____Yes___Unknown_____????__________
______1360697_____No_____Rot____Yes___1555082_____DCB/W _______
______1361105_____No_____Rot____Yes_____Unknown_____DCB/Y________
______1362372_____No_____Rot____Yes_____1569313_____DCB/?________
______1362520_____No_____Rot____Yes_____Unknown_____DCB/Y________
______1362577_____No_____Rot____Yes_____1566632_____DCB/G_Boxed Set
______1362677_____No_____Rot____Yes_____1566581_____DCB/?_________
______1362755_____No_____Rot____Yes_____311565______DCB/Y________
______1362787_____No_____Bar____Yes____1569284______DCB/G_________
______1374365_____No_____Rot____Yes____1588526______DCB/Y_________
______1374718_____No_____Rot____Yes____9679504______???????_________
______1378550_____No_____Rot____Yes____1580741______DCB/W__________
______1378778_____No_____Rot____Yes____1580702______DCB/?__________
______1378790_____No_____Rot____Yes____1583321______DCB/Y__________
______1378856_____No_____Rot____Yes____9679438______DCB/Y__________
______1385055_____Yes____Rot____Yes____9706635______DCB/Y__________
______1385127_____Yes____Rot_____Yes____1555113_____DCB/Y__________
______1385499_____Yes____Rot_____Yes ___9774084_____DCB/Y__________
______1385535_____Yes____Rot_____Yes____Unknown_____DCB/Y__________
______1385537_____Yes____Rot_____Yes____Unknown_____???????__________
______1385768_____Yes____Rot_____Yes____1591916_____DCB/W_________
______1396135_____No_____Bar_____Yes____1591811_____DCB/?__________
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Abbreviations:

DMK= Damaskeening
DCB= Double Cross Bar Safety Bow Case
SO= Swing Out Style Case

Y= Yellow Gold Filled Case
W= White Gold Filled Case
G= Green Gold Filled Case

P= Pattern-Back Case

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Posts: 5113 | Location: New Mexico in the USA | Registered: January 27, 2007
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Here is what the Double Cross Bar bow looks like.

Tom

 
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Great work Smile Tom,

Thanks to your efforts these great watches will finally be getting the attention they deserve! As you know all of the Series 11 Howards were factory cased and all of the proper cases, both Crescent and Keystone will have E. Howard Watch Company markings.


Signature on inside a yellow swing-out case...


 
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Movement number 1362787 in case 1569284


Series 11 in Green-Gold-Filled Double-Crossbar case...


 
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My favorite view of the unique Double-Crossbar Case...


 
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Tom,
I don't have any E Howard's to list, but that is one great work you have done with the information.
Thank you.

Lindell, Your Green-Gold-Filled Double-Crossbar is Outstanding! WOW she's a Beauty.

I just love that dial too!

Those Double-Crossbar's sure look strong.


Sheila
 
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I think my 1385535 is a DCB with White Gold case

 
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Valuable little devils! Razz

 
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As you can tell I am editing my list. Lindell showed me how to make it text with the formatting so I am trying to do that so it can be updated & also searched.

Tom
 
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Great job Tom....

Regards,
Jerry
 
Posts: 2860 | Location: Chino, California in the USA | Registered: June 23, 2008
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Hi Tom,
Everytime I go clicking around on IHC, I find something new and interesting that I can contribute to - like your project, for instance. You are a bit hidden here, deep in the bowels of the inner sanctum. Hahaha! Truly, I think you would get more 'hits' if Howards had their own heading on the discussion site main page as do Ball, Hamilton, Studebaker and others. Anyway.....

Attached here is a photo of my Howard chronograph. I think you can get what you need from the photo except to say it unfortunately is not in a Howard case.

I do not know what the main heading "A & S" means, and I do not know what a bar click is. I'm gonna guess my click is a 'Rot' because its round Smile
Best,
Mike

 
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Thanks Mike

I added your number to the list, the A & S are for arrows & star, which yours doesn't have, some runs had them & some didn't. Your is the rotary click as you thought.

Thanks again

Tom
 
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Can you show me a picture of a bar click?
Mike
 
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Mike

Hopefully David Abbe doesn't mind me borrowing his photo, this is from a post he made in the past of one of his watches, it has the bar click. It is a series 10 but the series 11 had the same bar click.

Tom

 
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Its a little hard to see, but I think I see it. Thanks for going to that trouble.
Mike
 
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Hello Tom,
The following was taken from my Howard Ser. 11 movement: #1362577 - no DMK - rotary click - A & S - Case # 1566632 DCB/G The box was included which has the following: Howard Railroad Chronometer Cat. 1195
Movement 1362577
Case #1566632
21 Jewels
5 Positions
Green
Inside the box is the Howard license label with the orig. price $80.00 and mvt. #, etc. Also included is a small pamphlet for care of the watch.

The case is a Howard Keystone.

Glad I could help with the list.
Vince
 
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Vince

Thank you for the information, I have added yours to the list with a notation that it was a boxed example. Sounds like a nice watch!

Tom
 
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Howard Series 11 Snap-On vs. Dial Feet

For the collectors or followers of the Series 11 RR Chronometer, somewhere around serial# 1,360,000
Howard started using 3 footed dials. Before that number Howard used "snap-on" dials Eek
That is why you will notice in the serial number ranges recorded here that the ones after 1,360,000 started showing up in the "safety bar" cases. The earlier ones with snap on dials will NOT work in the safety bar cases as the ring around the snap on dials is just a wee bit too large for the safety bar chronometer cases Eek
Please make a note and take that into consideration BEFORE purchasing a loose case or movement and trying to perform a marriage between these two Big Grin
regards,
bb
 
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I have a Howard Series 11:
_____Mvt Number___DMK____Click___A&S__Case Number___Case Style________
_________1185391___No______Bar_____No____1502938_______SO/Y___
 
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Thanks Mac, I added it to the list.

Tom
 
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I have some info to add to your database.

This one you had but with a few ??? The post-auction pictures on the HA.com site showed the missing info.
Mvmt # 1311369
DMK No
Click Rot
A&S No
Case # 1043809
Case Style SO/Y

This is one which sold on HA.com recently. (Unfortunately I wasn't the one who got it.)
Mvmt # 1360697
DMK No
Click Rot
A&S Yes
Case # 1555082
Case Style DCB/W
 
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Robert

Thank you for the information, I have corrected the one & added the other.

I need to apologize, I have not been keeping up my research for new ones to add to the list.

It still would appear that there is still only one group that had the damaskeened (sp) pattern on the movement.

Tom
 
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Have one s/n1183966=1913 bar click Howard swingout case YGF s/n1503195
 
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Thanks Roger, I have added yours & Mikes to the list. One question, does your movement have the "Star & Arrow", I am guessing not since others in that area don't but I left question marks for now.

Tom
 
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No, Tom doesn't have the star&arrow. Regards Roger
 
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Thanks Roger, I fixed it.

Tom
 
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Hi Tom -- I can add one to this thread with serial no. 1189385.
Here is the front photo...
KH

 
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photo of movement, case.

 
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Thanks Ken, I added it to the list.

Tom
 
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Tom and others I just received this ad for the bar over crown and others....
I figured this would be helpful here(If not plz delete).... Smile


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The above Chronometer Series 11 (now sold) was in a RR standard case as shown in the ad. The watch I still have is in a different case - not bar over, but original. The (later) serial# on this one is 1378346. Good timepiece. Very accurate.

 
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movement:

 
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inside case:

 
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