I usually do not purchase Swiss watches, but I could not pass this one up today. It is boxed and is a complete piece with the case and movement bearing the same number N16109. The watch is a 21 jewel movement and is 18K. The fob piece that looks like a seahorse looks to be gold. People that I talked to today said they would be interested in it for the scrap value. I think the piece is too nice to scrap out. There is an inscription: Ambrose L. List 21 (I think this refers to the 21J movement) May 15, 1875
Posts: 353 | Location: Nichols, New York in the USA | Registered: April 04, 2010
You're right, it's far too nice to scrap. If it were in some way badly damaged then maybe, but you have the complete package...with a little repair history to boot. Not to mention that it's a fine Swiss grade showing the best workmanship throughout.
Posts: 1565 | Location: San Francisco, California USA | Registered: September 01, 2008
You have a very nice watch. Pritchard does not list J.T. Sontag in her magnum opus on Swiss watchmakers, but I didn't expect to find it listed. My guess is that it is just a brand name used by the importer, J.T. Scott (surely the identical initials confirm that). The watch clearly was made for export to the English-speaking market.
Of course, it was very common for Swiss makers not to sign their watches at all, and for different makers to use a "gray" movement -- an ebauche -- made by someone else.
I have seen watches with similar looking movements from a number of makers, some quite well known). For example, see the movement from an H. Grandjean (an eminent firm) that I own, shown below. It is nearly identical except that your watch has a jeweled center wheel and several gold jewel settings that my watch lacks.
So, we'll probably never know who really made your watch, but it is a fine one.
Posts: 1414 | Location: Pasadena, California USA | Registered: November 11, 2005
Nice looking watch and the gold hunting case has jurgensen lips which add to integrity of the case. I like that tag imagine $1.50 for all that work and of coarse a little extra as long as he did the work before the little extra
As ethan pointed out the watch was imported to the States by J.T.Scott & Co, New York, 4 Maiden Lane. They were jewelers, importers and traders. They had some trademarks for their watches like ch(as) F Tissot & Sons; La Favre-Brandt; Leader: Triumpf.
The given movement was very 'en vogue' at those times and used by many prominent makers with variation in finish. It stands in a direct line with the earlier keywound round-ended bridge movements and the later Juergensen-style movements with covered winding wheels. The maker of the ebauche could be Audemars.
I like the repair tag esp. the '2 gallons of fine scotsh' part. Either this watchmaker had a very low output or he had some serious problems.
Posts: 742 | Location: Wertheim in Germany | Registered: February 21, 2009