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J.T. Sontag Swiss watch "Click" to Login or Register 
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I usually do not purchase Swiss watches, but I could not pass this one up today. It is boxed and is a complete piece with the case and movement bearing the same number N16109. The watch is a 21 jewel movement and is 18K. The fob piece that looks like a seahorse looks to be gold. People that I talked to today said they would be interested in it for the scrap value. I think the piece is too nice to scrap out.
There is an inscription:
Ambrose L. List
21 (I think this refers to the 21J movement)
May 15, 1875

 
Posts: 353 | Location: Nichols, New York in the USA | Registered: April 04, 2010
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Dial

 
Posts: 353 | Location: Nichols, New York in the USA | Registered: April 04, 2010
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Movememt

 
Posts: 353 | Location: Nichols, New York in the USA | Registered: April 04, 2010
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Dust cover

 
Posts: 353 | Location: Nichols, New York in the USA | Registered: April 04, 2010
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This was too funny

 
Posts: 353 | Location: Nichols, New York in the USA | Registered: April 04, 2010
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Importer

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 
Posts: 353 | Location: Nichols, New York in the USA | Registered: April 04, 2010
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Ken,

You're right, it's far too nice to scrap. If it were in some way badly damaged then maybe, but you have the complete package...with a little repair history to boot. Not to mention that it's a fine Swiss grade showing the best workmanship throughout.

William
 
Posts: 1565 | Location: San Francisco, California USA | Registered: September 01, 2008
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what a beauty Ken !!! Big Grin
 
Posts: 1746 | Location: Aylmer, Ontario in Canada | Registered: December 15, 2009
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Very cool!
 
Posts: 995 | Location: Pleasanton, California in the USA | Registered: September 22, 2012
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You have a very nice watch. Pritchard does not list J.T. Sontag in her magnum opus on Swiss watchmakers, but I didn't expect to find it listed. My guess is that it is just a brand name used by the importer, J.T. Scott (surely the identical initials confirm that). The watch clearly was made for export to the English-speaking market.

Of course, it was very common for Swiss makers not to sign their watches at all, and for different makers to use a "gray" movement -- an ebauche -- made by someone else.

I have seen watches with similar looking movements from a number of makers, some quite well known). For example, see the movement from an H. Grandjean (an eminent firm) that I own, shown below. It is nearly identical except that your watch has a jeweled center wheel and several gold jewel settings that my watch lacks.

So, we'll probably never know who really made your watch, but it is a fine one.

 
Posts: 1414 | Location: Pasadena, California USA | Registered: November 11, 2005
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Nice looking watch and the gold hunting case has jurgensen lips which add to integrity of the case.
I like that tag imagine $1.50 for all that work and of coarse a little extra as long as he did the work before the little extra Big Grin
 
Posts: 3468 | Location: Cleveland, Georgia in the U.S.A. | Registered: February 03, 2006
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I just realized the discount on price on tag for a cash discount no wonder so cheap. Big Grin
 
Posts: 3468 | Location: Cleveland, Georgia in the U.S.A. | Registered: February 03, 2006
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Hi Ken

A very nice (and collectible) combo !

As ethan pointed out the watch was imported to the States by J.T.Scott & Co, New York, 4 Maiden Lane. They were jewelers, importers and traders. They had some trademarks for their watches like ch(as) F Tissot & Sons; La Favre-Brandt; Leader: Triumpf.

The given movement was very 'en vogue' at those times and used by many prominent makers with variation in finish. It stands in a direct line with the earlier keywound round-ended bridge movements and the later Juergensen-style movements with covered winding wheels. The maker of the ebauche could be Audemars.

I like the repair tag esp. the '2 gallons of fine scotsh' part. Either this watchmaker had a very low output or he had some serious problems. Big Grin

Regards
Gerald
 
Posts: 742 | Location: Wertheim in Germany | Registered: February 21, 2009
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Gerald ,I think the note says 2oz (two ounces),not two gallons Big Grin
 
Posts: 1746 | Location: Aylmer, Ontario in Canada | Registered: December 15, 2009
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Ooops !

I was reading it from the watchmakers point of view Big Grin

Gerald
 
Posts: 742 | Location: Wertheim in Germany | Registered: February 21, 2009
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