Found this

Another

One more for today

Ok, 3 more & then I quit

this

that

This is really an ad but it is a young Webb C. Ball.

Tom,

Thought I would add this ad

Thanks Bill, I ran across the same one later in the night.

Tom

Here are a few more

Next

Again

One more.

Interesting group of ads Tom, thanks for posting. I noticed the next to last with the list of brotherhood standards, omits the Order of Railroad Telegraphers.

I have often heard it said that no Ball watches with O of RT markings were ever made, and this ad would appear to confirm that.

Ed

Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't noticed that but I do recall the posts from you & others about that.

Here is the same add but laid out different & maybe more readable. It is from The Railroad trainman
By Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen Published by Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen., 1898

Tom

Ed

I also found this article in Railway Master Mechanic Published by Simmons-Boardman Pub. Corp., 1900 Item notes: v. 24

However, it does say there was a ORT.
Tom

Tom,

As late as the 1902 Catalog, we see ad copy of watch designs (note the wavy 3's) that should have been sold in previous years. Either they were saving on redrafting ads or had lots of unsold inventory.

You show Rockefeller capital investing in late 18th century and we know there was a major reorginization in 1902 with the advent of the Ball Watch co replacing Ball and Co. .

Note that not only does the ad feature a ORT but it also offers and officall 999 standard. Both movements have never been seen but we have seen an offical 999 standard dial on Ball Hamilton #603. It would seem these two models got lost in the cracks.

You say this is a 1900 ad?

Thanks,

Bill

Bill

That was what was listed, here is the cover of the pub.

Tom

This page is from Official Gazette of the United States Patent Office 1906, this shows the patents on several Ball dials but not the one we were talking about.

Obit for Web C. Ball in The Railroad Telegrapher
By Order of Railroad Telegraphers 1922

Ad from June 1, 1905 Railroad Telegrapher St. Louis Mo.

Railroad Telegrapher - February 1, 1900, St Louis, Missouri

Another article
Railroad Telegrapher - February 1, 1900, St Louis, Missouri

Tom et al,

Ball also advertised nationaly for mail order items such as the Garfield spoon ad seen in July 1892 in Harpers and McBride's.

Must have sold a lot of them to make the ad worthwhile, if it was just a loss leader to get customers in the store he probably would have used local media.

Say what you want about ebay, but after I saw the ad, I started searching with keywords garfield spoon and found one fairly quickly. I can't imagine how long it would take me looking for it in old fashioned venues!

spoon pics

happy hunting

Neat Spoon Bill, I will have to look for one.

Tom

Hi All

Today I held the stamping plate which produced the AD for the Ball Watches, which depicts the train puffing smoke with a watch in the background. The same AD that Tom Brown post several post above this one(count up 13 posts). Amazing!!!!!

Regards

Keith

Hi guys and gals,

Just found an 1899 BLE Journal Ad signed by Ball's Standard RR Watch co

BLE AD

My guess is that there was an initial thought that this company would market the Brotherhood watches along with the 999E and the 999F.

Fascinating stuff!

happy hunting,

Great Bill, I posted it if you don't mind.

Tom

Thanks tom,

I didn't know how to copy it or if it could be copied.

I copied your pic tho and will add it to my chap 52 website.

happy hunting,

Bill

If you ever run across more like this or text from these magazines that you want just email me & I will do it for you.

Tom

Tom,

What a guy! Thanks again,

Bill

Hi All

Here is the stamp for the ball add with the train on it.

Regards
Keith

The add from above posted by Tom Brown.