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Another curiosity has come to Billville! This is a 17J older looking pocket watch in a very heavy Dueber case ser. no. 47 05 case back inside cover. The center section is stamped 47 06 and the front is stamped 47 05. The movement is called Locomotive Special Chicago USA and carry's ser. No. 1349858. The jewels appear to be ruby red. It is a lever set. The face has no cracks but needs cleaning. Like a lot of these watches you just wind it and it runs and keeps great time  | |||
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Movement. It looks like a serous watch but I cant figure if it was a $5 piece or a $40 dollar watch in the day. Marked 17J Adjusted on movement. Case is marked "silvertone" which sounds not expensive...  | ||||
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Hi Bill, That's definatley a "Swiss fake" RR watch.If you look at the balance wheel, it is uncut, and has a fake barrel arbor jewel.Looks like a nice one though, nice dial.That movement is shown on pg.54 of Roy Ehrhardt's Foreign & American book.I imagine some people collect these imitation railroad watches.I know they sold by the millions!Best regards, Ted. | |||
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This Swiss Fake is particularly brazen in that they didn't even bother misspelling 'Chicago' and boldly put U.S.A. on it. Most of the Swiss Fakes have slight misspellings or a dash between words, such as New-York. Most of the Swiss Fakes are of very poor quality. | |||
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I concur, the Locomotive Special was one of the better known Swiss fakes. A "23 Jewel Adjusted" version of this same movement is depicted on the upper right corner of page 97 of the Shugart watch guide. Whenever you see a picture of a steam locomotive engraved on the plates of a watch movement, it will be a Swiss fake 99% of the time. Best Regards, Ed | |||
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This is one of the better "wanabee" watches which promise far more than they can deliver, it is indeed a fake but I think you'll agree it's not really a Swiss-Fake. Check page 400 of the "Complete Guide to Watches" for a picture and the preceding page 399 listing that says this "Locomotive Special" can be marked either "17-Jewels" or "23-Jewels" although they are in reality a somewhat low quality 7-Jewel movement. And apparently they were made in Trenton, New Jersey so one thing on that watch, the "U.S.A." marking  is actually true. Looks like the two-tone model like Bill's watch is a fairly uncommon and current values are in the 125 / 200 / and even 300 range for a top condition example. Another similar American version of the Swiss-Fake genre is a Seth Thomas "Trainmen's Special" shown on page 390 of the watch guide. It too is a 7-Jewel with false markings and higher values than most of us expect, certainly more that I would pay.  Watches like this are collectable, but they're not in my area of interest. "There's a seat for every saddle" ...comes to mind. Lindell  | |||
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I only wear Hamilton, Waltham, and Ball myself. I have a few friends that wear these heavy silver or silver colored watches cause they bought them for under fifty bucks on the bay. The Locomotive watch is worn by a fellow railroader daily. Keeps good time. I don't think I will dash his thoughts on the watch. I knew there was something odd about it. So many jewels- so few moving parts. Thanks for responding... | ||||
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