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Waltham Wind Indicator Question "Click" to Login or Register 
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After sending the watch out for servicing last year and upon return the wind indicator hand is out of postion when wound. Everything was functioning prior to service and subsequent except the the position of the hand and direction when wound.

looking at the picture below when wound the indicator hand travels counterclockwise up to just left of 12 and starts count down from there.

My question is has the indicator hand slipped or has something been put in backwards? Thanks in advance Rick

Watch is a 16 size Waltham cica 1924 model 1908

 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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Take the hand off, wind the watch all the way up. Then reinstall the hand on the 0, as the watch runs down the hand will rotate clock wise.

Thanks
 
Posts: 1012 | Location: Killen, Alabama in the USA | Registered: January 15, 2013
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Thanks Billy, as you no doubt surmised my technical/repair/fixing talent ends with winding a watch.
Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
IHC Member 1725
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Rick,

Just to add to Billy's post, I would try not to remove the hand to avoid any damage. Be very careful and take a toothpick, move the up and down pointer to just left of the up position. Watch the watch to see where the hand is positioned when it is completely run down. Re-adjust if needed.

Good Luck,
Tim
 
Posts: 376 | Location: Conover, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: July 07, 2012
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Thanks Tim, I may be able to handle that.
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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I have to respectfully disagree with Tim's suggestion. If you are lucky and the hand is not pressed on tight you will get away with moving it with a toothpick. If you're NOT lucky and the hand is pressed on tight, you risk snapping a very small pivot on a very hard part to find. The proper way is what Billy suggested.
 
Posts: 1078 | Location: Ticonderoga, New York USA | Registered: March 01, 2008
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Thanks to all for the suggestions. I am aware wind indicator gears are not that common an item and as such I am not the person to be working on the watch. The problem should be easily rectified by going to a watch repair fellow with the tools needed. I have a good one to go to about 35 minutes away.
My tools consist of an eyeglass screwdriver...and a hammer.
Thank you all again, much appreciated.

Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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Hi Rick,

There is a good chance that it has not been put back together correctly after service, also a possibility the hand maybe loose and dragging, as Rodger says, I would not push it back to indicate correct position you could cause damage. if it is simply a loose hand it must be removed tightened and refitted I seen a lot of these watches have a few in the shop this week I often find this problem. if you want to ship it over would be pleased to take a look.
 
Posts: 2625 | Location: Northeast Texas in the USA | Registered: November 20, 2003
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Chris has very wisely and generously offered his hands on inspection of this watch and I must concur completely with him on the issue. I hope you take his offer to task and let him look at this.

The issue I have seen with W.I. movement besides the simple possibility of a "loose hand" stems from their very clever set of differential gearing which advances the W.I. hand when you wind it from one "axle" and then reverses that W.I. hand rotation with the "run down" of the main spring from another "axle". IF for any reason there is some friction in that gear set they will interact with each other and cause the indicator to "reset" to a different place.
 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
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Mr. Abell, thank you, appreciate the offer. Lately I have been taking watches for servicing to a local fellow. He has serviced another Waltham WI for me and no issues. I will probably run this watch down to him in a couple of weeks.
I appreciate your assessment as I wondered if something was amiss on reassembly.
Again thank you for the courtesy.

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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Rick,

The gentle, well-trained hand and eye coordination of Chris Abell can work wonders.

We are blessed with several outstanding watchmakers as part of IHC and each of them regularly accomplish far more than we mere mortals ever could. Smile Although what I am about to suggest may sound like heresy to some reading this, it is not far removed from Tim Poovey's toothpick suggestion posted above and you might find it worthwhile.

Experience over the years has taught me that the indicator hand is usually installed with a bit of "slippage" available. As a serious Wind Indicator Collector, I confess to having "adjusted" quite a few of them by using the soft eraser of a common unused, unsharpened number two pencil in a similar manner as Tim's adjustment by toothpick method.

Use great care in trying this method... place the unused, clean, soft, flat tip of the eraser in contact with the side of the hand and apply very gentle pressure... if it moves easily for you the adjustment should then have a happy ending. IF IT DOES NOT MOVE EASILY THEN STOP IMMEDIATELY rather than cause any chance of an internal issue or bending of the hand.

I find you can also use the soft, flat eraser surface to push inward on a slightly loose hand when needed.

But remember, just as a doctor is trained... "First, do no harm" ...must always be considered.

If this advice is found to be of help then I am pleased, if not at least I tried to help.

Be well my friends,

Lindell

Wink
 
Posts: 10553 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
IHC Life Member
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Well, again I have to respectfully disagree with the suggestion Lin proposes also. Rick has stated: "my technical/repair/fixing talent ends with winding a watch."

It may indeed be quite possible to successfully accomplish the movement of the hand using either Tim's or Lin's suggestion, but without at least having some kind of 'feel' for this, the risks may far outweigh the possible benefit IMO.
 
Posts: 1078 | Location: Ticonderoga, New York USA | Registered: March 01, 2008
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Gentlemen all, first let me thank you for your guidance, assessments and cautions.
I did, with great care, check the wind indicator hand and it moves freely.
I will however take the watch in for adjustment.

Thanks once again to all for the consideration demonstrated. I hope no one had any heart palpitations with my self described expertise and using my professional tools described.

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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