I just love it!

Isn't it a HONEY? !!!!

I wish you could see this movement in person, it's beautiful and the design and shine is outstanding.

Here she is, sweet huh?

Sheila:
Great looking B.W.R.! Congratulations~!
Joel Sarich

Nice watch, like those 24 hour dials. Good to see something like that, enjoy! Jim.

Sheila, it is truly beautiful. Phil

Ya gotta love those Raymonds Sheila!

A very handsome watch!

Sheila,
Thanks for sharing your really nice BWR.

The Hamilton No. 7, except for the pendant, look very similiar.

Robert

Sheila,

It's a beautiful watch. I'm a fan of Elgin's too.

Matt

Thanks Everyone! I'm thrilled with it.

I have few RR Watches and you know by now how I love Elgins!

Robert, Wow, thanks for the post, I didn't know they were so much alike. Great

For some reason this one really pleased me a lot.

Sometimes they just "Catch Ya" ya know?

Sheila, A great watch. I couldn't quite make out the SN in your pic. Does it start with 43? Is the case marked in back, Cased and timed by Elgin?

Tom

Tom,
SN 43148914 and no, the case is a 10k GF Fortune, Sturdy? Never heard of the case before, but it's nice. I especially like the bezel on it, and it opens and closes real nice too.

Thanks Sheila, That would put your watch at around 1945. At that time most all Elgins were factory cased, especially the BWR's. It appears that the original case on your BWR probably wore out or was damaged, and the owner had it put into the nice existing case. The reason for my question was--if it had been marked cased and timed by Elgin in the back, we might have seen a previously unknown Elgin case.

Tom

Sheila,

Fortune and Sturdy were Canadian-made cases--so your watch might be original to that case. Hamilton watches were put in these case names when new and I think it was a Canadian government requirement for American movements (any make) to be sold "up there" in Canadian cases. Others may know more on this subject and it would be good to get that info from them. Are you sure the case back does not state "Made in Canada?"

Best regards,
Larry

Below is a link to a "T. Eaton (1953) Catalog", showing the Hamilton 992B in a Canadian "Fortune" case.

Can anyone identify the case with houses the BWR?

Robert

http://elginwatches.org/scans/non_elgin_ads/1953/h_t_eaton_large.html

Wow, Thanks guys, you got it right, it's Canadian for sure. Looks exactly like the linked one, Tree and all, without the bird etching! hehehe so cool.

All this information! WOW this is great.

I love it.

Cool I have one listed that has close to same serial number but mine is not Canadian like yours. They are nice watches.

Robert,
Different grade and date.
Mine is 43,148,914 size 16s, grade 590, 1944, 21J, Adj 5 Pos.

Unless I have the number wrong, 3,139,523, yours is a size 18s, 1888, grade 10, 11J. ???

RIght? Wrong? Check it out.

Very nice watch, Beautiful.

Sheila

Robert has mis-stated his serial number [in the description]. From the photo of his movement, it is 43148074, a Gr 590 from the same run as yours.

I have 43395389 from the next run, a year later. It has the same dial as yours but is in the more common Elgin Streamline case by Keystone.

I agree with you; these watches are HONEYs!

Ron

Ron,
I thought that's what happened!
I couldn't see the movement that well with this computer of mine.

Boy they are close huh?
Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Honey's for sure. I really do enjoy mine, I can't seem to put it away, it sits here right now, but I will store it soon for another one. I like to change them around sometimes, so I can enjoy them, not just pack them up.

OH! and I love your watch too! That case is great!
They just have a "Look" about them huh???

OOPs Ron you caught me I am Human I made a mistake LOL. Thanks I need to try and be more careful. On another note does anyone know when they started writing the "BW Raymond" on the dial?

The B. W. Raymond marking was added to the dial during the manufacture of the Grade 571. The early dials were NOT marked B. W. Raymond (nor were the movements), but by 1948/9 both the dial and movements markings were added. The 24 hour dials, both with and without Mongomery marginal minute figures, did not have the "B. W. Raymond" signature.

Sheila, I just had to show you my "OLD" Canadian BW Raymond. 103 yrs old and goes to work every day. Don't you just love the upside down 18!.............Keith

Dial

Thanks Ed for the info

Sheila, that's a very nice grade 590 that you picked up. I especially like the Canadian dial.

Here's an example of a 24-hour Montgomery dial on a Grade 571. (I really need to learn to take better pictures of my watches )

Ed, You always have such great information! I just love it when you pass on what you know to all of us. Thank you!

C. Keith, Great Watch! I didn't even notice the 18, Wow so cool. The dial is fantastic and so sharp, like new!

Steven, Very Nice! I always wanted one of those too, but alas, I have to wait a while for my next buy, I'm busy with cinder blocks right now.