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IHC Member 525 |
This is quite a rare Montgomery dial with the minutes either side of the line & every 5th. minute in red. I`ve only seen pictures of this type of dial & all minutes were in black. [ADMINISTRATOR'S CLARIFICATION: No, that is not a Montgomery Patent Dial as explained later in this topic] | ||
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IHC Member 525 |
And its complimenting a lovely `92`model Railroader. | |||
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IHC Life Member |
Total made 260 Total runs 4 Start Jan 1900 End Feb 1902 First 7489801 Last 7489850 Model 1892 Name Railroader Grade Railroader Material P Size 18 Plate FP Jewels 17 Balance Ex Bal Pat. Reg. - Breg. HS Style OF A rare bird indeed!! | |||
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IHC Member 1357 |
Very Nice!! Roger | |||
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IHC Member 1613 |
Awesome Watch... | |||
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IHC Member 1555 |
Beautiful watch, a lovely example as is the dial, just to be correct though that dial is a marginal minutes dial not a Montgomery | |||
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IHC Member 525 |
Thanks Steven & Bila. To tell the truth I was finding it difficult to obtain details of that type of dial. | |||
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IHC President Life Member |
BILA IS RIGHT, NOT A MONTGOMERY DIAL, NOT EVEN THE RIGHT DIAL In January of this year we discussed a complete Model 1892 Waltham Railroader with the correct dial and the seller erroneously claiming only 17 of these were made! That example 7489983 after having been listed three times finally sold for $1,750.00 so they are around. Here, Railroader Movement 7489835 is exactly like and closely numbered to Derek's watch. (Waltham Railroader in the next two images posted on IHC by Mike Valek July 16th 2007) Model 1892 Waltham marked as "Railroader" Movement... | |||
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IHC President Life Member |
To be complete a "Railroader" movement must front a marked as "Railroader" dial. Below, Mike Valek's entirely correct original "Railroader" dial on number 7489835 completes the theme of this very beautiful watch. Like all the Ball Brotherhoods, South-Bend Polaris, Santa-Fe Route, and others dial must match the movement. The late Ed Parsons: "Without the matching dial you have only half a watch." Model 1892 Waltham REAL-DEAL "Railroader" Matching Dial... | |||
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IHC President Life Member |
Here is a suggestion... This style of dial that Waltham called "Rail-Road" available in Single and Double-Sunk 5 Minute Outer Track could serve as a way to come a little closer to what would be the ultimate, but nearly impossible goal of locating an available signed as "Railroader" dial. This is what I would do for now, to me this step is a no-brainer! | |||
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IHC President Life Member |
And so we move to the dial we saw above on Derek's number 7489815 which is a design largely unrecognized by most modern day collectors. It is important to recognize exactly what that dial is and even more importantly, to realize what it is not. In his post above in this topic Bila pointed out he did not feel that "Montgomery" properly described the dial in question, and yes he was right on track. Bila's sharp eye proves to be on the target. That dial presently on 7489815 is in fact a "Fitch Patent Dial" as the late Ed Parsons explained in a July of 2013 posting with a picture of the dial design... _______________________________________________ "This unusual numerical dial was patented by Ezra C. Fitch, longtime president of Waltham Watch Co. (1883-1921). I think the idea was that by separating odd and even minute numerals onto two marginal minute tracks, it would be possible to make them larger and easier to read. I just find it confusing, as I suspect many others did back in the day, because these dials are quite uncommon today." Edward L. Parsons, Jr. ________________________________________________ Examining Fitch Patent Dials in our collection the center of them is more like a 10 or 12-size dial and the outer track is something I do find difficult and as Ed said, confusing to read. Frankly I really must tell you, the more I look at it the more my head aches! But none other than Webb C. Ball took it somewhat further as only Ball could, calling this dial... "Freakish, confusing, hard to read and so distracting as to be downright dangerous." That leaves nothing to the imagination, Ball was not one to mince words! Fitch Patent Dial from Edward L. Parsons Jr. in 2013 posting... | |||
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IHC President Life Member |
Always use the IHC "Find-Or-Search" feature to find more information... It may take some digging around and sorting through, but the information IS there! Lindell | |||
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