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I have Hamilton 977 with serial #67067 found few facts but like to get more info on it cant access the IHC data base for some reason | ||
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IHC Member 1291 |
What info are you looking for Peter ? The Gelson list data is working for me. http://library.ihc185.com/catalogs/gelson/Image04.jpg https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...4108073/m/5581025012 It was finished 4/29/1901 and sold on the same date to M.A. Lumbard Co. of Des Moines, Iowa. Yours is a 16 jewel, single roller, 3/4 plate hunting movement, pendant-set, adj. temperature, and total production of the 977's was 5,730. regards, bb | |||
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Thanks Buster hmmmm 16 jewels? | |||
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| IHC Member 1291 |
Yep, the 976 & 977 [hunting/open face versions], were both 16 jewel watches. regards, bb | |||
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| IHC Member 1016 |
Peter, you may recall I showed one that was marked "17 Jewels". Someone probably marked it to "enhance it". https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...583977967#7583977967 | |||
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IHC Member 1610 |
Peter is your 977 a large plate or a regular plate? If it is a large plate The Price Guide says only 670 total were produce and those 670 would be made up of the 972, 973, 974, 975, 976, and 977. I don't know how many of each model were made but each model would be way under 670. I have a 2nd run large plate the Price Guide says low book is $400. Mine needs a staff. | |||
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Peter & Harry, based on the serial number 977 sn 67067 is the small pillar plate (PP) version. The last large PP 977 was sn 62000 which was finished 4/12/1899. A few years ago I went through all of the runs of large PP Hamiltons and came up with a total of 11,354. Of these 2,129 were 977s. The number of 670 in the Price Guide is incorrect as well as the serial numbers listed as "first run", "second run" and "third run". | ||||
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| IHC Member 1610 |
Thank you Robert. So I guess the whole large plate section should be taken out of the Price Guide. I suspected it was wrong based on how many I have seen. Although not a huge number seems like I was seeing more of my share if only 670 were produced. Thanks for setting us straight on that. | |||
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| IHC Member 1016 |
I agree, the Price Guide would have us think these are extremely rare but they are around and don't seem to command much premium. | |||
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| IHC President Life Member  |
All my life I have noticed that something appearing in print can be difficult to correct, even when it is in error. So, I will link-up this topic to Help Update the "Complete Guide to Watches" and recommend any suggestions to improve the "Complete Guide to Watches" be posted there. Nearly every year we bring that forum to the attention of the watch guide editors. Most of the suggestions I have made over the years have been used. For example, my complete re-write of Grade Numbers and descriptions for the South-Bend section, proper recognition of Hamilton 992-Elinvar Variants using my images for illustration as well as the three 999B variations are now explained in the Ball-Hamilton section. As an active collector I have never tried to suggest valuation revisions as that would in my opinion be a conflict of interests that I would feel obligated to avoid. Positive comments and suggestions always get positive attention. By the way, perhaps low value and lack of interest in early non-standard 16-size Hamiltons could be related to the fact they do not fit a standard case, and I see on the list Harry cited above only 2 Railroad Grades (Open-Face 972 and the companion Hunter 973) like it or not, our hobby is first and foremost nearly "laser-focused" on Railroad Grade Pocket Watches. Over the years of my involvement that has been the fastest growing and the most rapidly appreciating segment. I agree, the 16-Jewel Grades 976 and 977 are interesting, but unfortunately the serious RR Collector has little if any interest in them. Consider also that by the dawn of the 20th Century both Hamilton and Illinois (the 2 watch companies most popular with collectors) were producing only "fully-jeweled" movements, by definition those comprised of 17 or more jewels. Hopefully at least some of this post will be helpful, Lindell  | |||
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IHC Member 48 |
Buster Above in this post you tell Peter the finish date and sold to information. Where do you find this kind of information? Could you tell me that kind of information on Serial #1152802 a 950p movement. Thanks Keith | |||
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