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Picture of William D. White
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I've been working pretty hard on the project of creating new fired enamel dials for pocket watches and it's taking a lot longer that I initially gauged; if I was independently wealthy and didn't need to split my time between 3-4 different money-making activities then maybe I'd be a successful enamel dial maker by now. But steadily, I am proceeding to that end and I'm very happy with the progress I've been able to achieve. I have been working on the first and most important processes which are composition, imaging and printing. During the course of this discovery, I got the idea of photo-etching thin glass in reverse then loading the image areas with carbon pigment. I'm happy with the results and this is the glass dial I finished this evening. For the first time, I've made a dial that is for the most part, permanent and impervious to normal atmospheric degradation.

The diameter of the dial is 57mm and the glass thickness is 1mm.

 
Posts: 1568 | Location: San Francisco, California USA | Registered: September 01, 2008
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Picture of William D. White
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Since the image is in reverse underneath, the top surface is flat and glossy!

 
Posts: 1568 | Location: San Francisco, California USA | Registered: September 01, 2008
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it looks great William, please write some info regarding process of making it Smile.
 
Posts: 266 | Location: Wroclaw in Poland | Registered: May 06, 2013
Picture of Dan Carter
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This looks great! how long do you think it takes from beginning to end to make a dial?
 
Posts: 407 | Location: Northern Virginia in the USA | Registered: October 08, 2011
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William, your work is amazing.

I can see lots of orders coming your way in the near future.

All the best, Mike
 
Posts: 575 | Location: Walsall in the United Kingdom | Registered: December 19, 2013
IHC Member 1555
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Stunning William, let me know when you are taking orders Big Grin
 
Posts: 2265 | Location: Gladstone in Australia | Registered: January 14, 2011
IHC Member 1541
Picture of Lorne Wasylishen
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Kudos on your work William, I am always impressed with your accomplishments.

UPDATE: A friend was complaining bitterly today about the passage of time and getting older, I may have to order a private label dial that says "THE CRUEL HANDS OF TIME"
 
Posts: 2093 | Location: British Columbia in Canada | Registered: March 02, 2011
IHC Member 1959
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William
This dial is as beautiful as I knew it would be. I can't wait to purchase some. Best wishes as always. Jonathan
 
Posts: 340 | Location: Omaha, Nebraska in the USA | Registered: June 28, 2014
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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Impressive, I knew you can do it.
I will buy few in 37 mm size with sub seconds at 6
with distance between holes of .406 of an inch
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
Picture of Dave Turner
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Very nice. This might open the door to a lot of old watches that need to be brought back to life.


Dave Turner
 
Posts: 1979 | Location: Wilson, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: November 15, 2011
IHC Member 1291
Picture of Buster Beck
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Very nice work.

regards,
bb
 
Posts: 6376 | Location: Texas in the USA | Registered: July 27, 2009
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Aloha William, this is fantastic and amazing. Congratulations on your progress. Best of luck in the continued perfection process. Mahalo, Fred
 
Posts: 106 | Location: Honolulu, Hawaii in the USA | Registered: June 12, 2016
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Picture of William D. White
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Rafal, Dan, Peter & everyone

It's a photographic process using a film positive and the image area treated with acid. The resulting etched areas are then filled with a black carbon pigment, then sealed with a white enamel paint which is kiln baked. This photo etching technique is something that will be utilized in the printing process but in the meantime I thought, hey, why not try this on a piece of glass? The positive used for this project was made here with an inkjet photo printer which was good enough for this large dial.

I probably won't make any glass dials to sell, I kind of did this just to see what would happen ....plus this old watch really needed a better dial!

This dial from start to finish probably took 3 hours.

William
 
Posts: 1568 | Location: San Francisco, California USA | Registered: September 01, 2008
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Thanks William for details. Have you grounded edge on this dial, and if yes with what? How did you make a central hole, was it pre-drilled or done after? Im sorry for so many questions but Im really interested Smile

Rafal
 
Posts: 266 | Location: Wroclaw in Poland | Registered: May 06, 2013
IHC Life Member
Picture of William D. White
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Rafal,

The diameter was ground and the edges chamfered using crystal making equipment. The center hole was made using a diamond core drill.

William
 
Posts: 1568 | Location: San Francisco, California USA | Registered: September 01, 2008
IHC Member 1959
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Come on William
You can make just a couple for your old pal?
JMF
 
Posts: 340 | Location: Omaha, Nebraska in the USA | Registered: June 28, 2014
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Picture of William D. White
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Jonathan,

I know that we've talked about these glass dials a few times and even though the results are pretty good, the reality is that there is no substrate beneath the glass that dial feet can be attached to, just a layer of paint. Additionally, if the dial is damaged, you won't just have a crazed, hairlined dial, you'll have a dial in several pieces! In general, this is not a viable product. It's a test. A stepping stone and worth showing off because I like the way it looks. I am moving ahead with proper multi-part vitreous enamel on copper dials. I just wanted to give everyone here a signal that I'm still working on it and if I can swing it, proper enamel dials with exceptional printing will be offered ....eventually. Thanks JMF!

William
 
Posts: 1568 | Location: San Francisco, California USA | Registered: September 01, 2008
IHC Member 1959
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William
I was just giving you a hard time because I am absolutely sure that your enamel on copper dials will be as good but probably better knowing you, than the originals were. I just hate to wait while you are putting in all of the very hard work to perfect your process. Please continue to share these incredible advances in the process. I can't wait!!!
Thanks again JMF
 
Posts: 340 | Location: Omaha, Nebraska in the USA | Registered: June 28, 2014
IHC Member 2030
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Best wishes in your endeavors William.

Quote from Mitsuru Yokozawa website:

"when making the enamel glaze for the dial, even a slight shift in the composition ratio of the various glass compounds can drastically alter the end result. A rich knowledge of this process is required to produce an enamel glaze best matched to the use of the final product"
 
Posts: 1119 | Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia in the USA | Registered: February 08, 2015
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