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New Glass Dial for a Goliath Watch

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November 15, 2016, 03:15
William D. White
New Glass Dial for a Goliath Watch
I've been working pretty hard on the project of creating new fired enamel dials for pocket watches and it's taking a lot longer that I initially gauged; if I was independently wealthy and didn't need to split my time between 3-4 different money-making activities then maybe I'd be a successful enamel dial maker by now. But steadily, I am proceeding to that end and I'm very happy with the progress I've been able to achieve. I have been working on the first and most important processes which are composition, imaging and printing. During the course of this discovery, I got the idea of photo-etching thin glass in reverse then loading the image areas with carbon pigment. I'm happy with the results and this is the glass dial I finished this evening. For the first time, I've made a dial that is for the most part, permanent and impervious to normal atmospheric degradation.

The diameter of the dial is 57mm and the glass thickness is 1mm.




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November 15, 2016, 03:17
William D. White
Since the image is in reverse underneath, the top surface is flat and glossy!




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November 15, 2016, 04:55
Rafal Woler
it looks great William, please write some info regarding process of making it Smile.
November 15, 2016, 06:37
Dan Carter
This looks great! how long do you think it takes from beginning to end to make a dial?
November 15, 2016, 08:16
Mike Haig
William, your work is amazing.

I can see lots of orders coming your way in the near future.

All the best, Mike
November 15, 2016, 08:25
Bila Wirriganwalters
Stunning William, let me know when you are taking orders Big Grin
November 15, 2016, 10:38
Lorne Wasylishen
Kudos on your work William, I am always impressed with your accomplishments.

UPDATE: A friend was complaining bitterly today about the passage of time and getting older, I may have to order a private label dial that says "THE CRUEL HANDS OF TIME"
November 15, 2016, 12:58
Jonathan M. Fixley
William
This dial is as beautiful as I knew it would be. I can't wait to purchase some. Best wishes as always. Jonathan
November 15, 2016, 14:10
Peter Kaszubski
Impressive, I knew you can do it.
I will buy few in 37 mm size with sub seconds at 6
with distance between holes of .406 of an inch
November 15, 2016, 14:20
Dave Turner
Very nice. This might open the door to a lot of old watches that need to be brought back to life.


Dave Turner
November 15, 2016, 22:26
Buster Beck
Very nice work.

regards,
bb
November 15, 2016, 22:41
Fred Orr
Aloha William, this is fantastic and amazing. Congratulations on your progress. Best of luck in the continued perfection process. Mahalo, Fred
November 15, 2016, 23:58
William D. White
Rafal, Dan, Peter & everyone

It's a photographic process using a film positive and the image area treated with acid. The resulting etched areas are then filled with a black carbon pigment, then sealed with a white enamel paint which is kiln baked. This photo etching technique is something that will be utilized in the printing process but in the meantime I thought, hey, why not try this on a piece of glass? The positive used for this project was made here with an inkjet photo printer which was good enough for this large dial.

I probably won't make any glass dials to sell, I kind of did this just to see what would happen ....plus this old watch really needed a better dial!

This dial from start to finish probably took 3 hours.

William


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November 16, 2016, 03:55
Rafal Woler
Thanks William for details. Have you grounded edge on this dial, and if yes with what? How did you make a central hole, was it pre-drilled or done after? Im sorry for so many questions but Im really interested Smile

Rafal
November 16, 2016, 06:21
William D. White
Rafal,

The diameter was ground and the edges chamfered using crystal making equipment. The center hole was made using a diamond core drill.

William


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November 16, 2016, 16:21
Jonathan M. Fixley
Come on William
You can make just a couple for your old pal?
JMF
November 17, 2016, 00:19
William D. White
Jonathan,

I know that we've talked about these glass dials a few times and even though the results are pretty good, the reality is that there is no substrate beneath the glass that dial feet can be attached to, just a layer of paint. Additionally, if the dial is damaged, you won't just have a crazed, hairlined dial, you'll have a dial in several pieces! In general, this is not a viable product. It's a test. A stepping stone and worth showing off because I like the way it looks. I am moving ahead with proper multi-part vitreous enamel on copper dials. I just wanted to give everyone here a signal that I'm still working on it and if I can swing it, proper enamel dials with exceptional printing will be offered ....eventually. Thanks JMF!

William


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November 17, 2016, 17:01
Jonathan M. Fixley
William
I was just giving you a hard time because I am absolutely sure that your enamel on copper dials will be as good but probably better knowing you, than the originals were. I just hate to wait while you are putting in all of the very hard work to perfect your process. Please continue to share these incredible advances in the process. I can't wait!!!
Thanks again JMF
November 17, 2016, 18:41
Mike Benda
Best wishes in your endeavors William.

Quote from Mitsuru Yokozawa website:

"when making the enamel glaze for the dial, even a slight shift in the composition ratio of the various glass compounds can drastically alter the end result. A rich knowledge of this process is required to produce an enamel glaze best matched to the use of the final product"