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posted August 18, 2010 18:17
I have always liked the watches that were prsenented too employees of the various railroad ..

This one a series 10 was presented to mr Burkley (can,t figure out the complete name)on christmas eve 1923 by the baltimore and ohio rr employees ..This is inscribed on the dust cover and the insdie of the back cover.

I belive the charleston division was in Ind.

 
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posted August 18, 2010 18:17
Inside the back lid.

 
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posted August 18, 2010 18:18
series 10 movement

 
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posted August 18, 2010 18:19
The dial has some damange i plan on replacing it.

 
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posted August 18, 2010 18:52

What a find, this is a really interesting watch!

Wink
 
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posted August 18, 2010 18:57
Very nice watch, you know I like those engraved ones.

I will see if I can find anything on the owner, I do believe the Charleston Division of the B&O was out of Charleston West Virginia. But I could be wrong.

Tom
 
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posted August 18, 2010 19:02
There was a H. J. Burkley that was a Master Mechanic for the B&O RR.
 
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posted August 18, 2010 19:18
This may be the guy. From the Cumberland Evening Times Cumberland Maryland 08/02/1940

 
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posted August 18, 2010 20:18
Wow Tom Thank you,, that,s great information,These watches have always be of great interest too me ,a lot of railroad history in these.
 
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posted August 18, 2010 20:19
Harry J. Burkley was born about 1891 in West Virginia. In the 1920 census he is living in District 20, Union, Marshall, WV. He is listed as a General Foreman Railroad. He is married to Nettie E. born about 1885 in Ohio
 
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posted August 18, 2010 20:23
WWI Draft Card

 
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posted August 18, 2010 20:26
1930 census District 20, Washington, Daviess, Indiana. He & his wife are living there, he is listed as a Mechanic B&O Railroad

Looks like he died Nov 29, 1974 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio
 
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posted August 18, 2010 21:04

Amazing work as always Tom!

Thanks a million for all you do for all of us.

Lindell

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posted August 20, 2010 12:20
Beautiful watch Samie, and a very interesting thread of information about the owner. The B&O has always been my favorite railroad. My father was an attorney in Cleveland and represented the B&O for more than 30 years, until the Chessie took over in the early 60's. They say that the B&O, the nation's oldest railroad, is everybody's second favorite!


chas
 
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posted August 20, 2010 12:45
Helping these watches "talk" a little more is part of the rewards of this organization! The draft card with age 26 suggests that was an offspring of the main subject.
 
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posted August 20, 2010 13:01
At 26 years, the 1917 draft card, seems to be for the same owner of the aforementioned Howard presentation watch, at least IMHO Big Grin

regards,
bb
 
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posted August 20, 2010 15:28
The Harry J. listed on the draft card was a master mechanic for the B&O apparently at an early age. According to the newspaper article I posted was dated 1940 & he apparently was still employed by the B&O then.

His father was Harry E. & did work for the railroad in the 1880's but in 1910 is listed as a blacksmith with his own shop & in 1920 is listed as the owner of a hardware store. The father was born in 1866.

So I doubt it was the father since the middle initial is different & he had left the railroad at least 10 years prior to the watch be presented. Also the newspaper article I doubt would have been about him he would have been 74 at the time.

Maybe there was another Harry J. Burkley that worked for the B&O not related to this one?

Tom
 
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posted August 24, 2010 19:13
Nice presentation watch Samie:

I have one from the same year presented by the company to an employee with 60 years service, that would go back to the Civil War, not too many were presented by the company to employees, it will be interesting to see what Tom Brown can find of about him.

Hamilton 16 size, 21 jewel, Grade 992, Serial No. 1640347 Manufactured 1922-1923 Double Sunk bold Arabic dial, 14 karat yellow gold Roy case engraved on the back "PRESENTED TO Marshall M. Sayre BY THE MANAGEMENT OF THE BALTIMORE & OHIO RAILROAD COMPANY IN RECOGNITION OF 60 YRS. FAITHFUL SERVICE 1923"

Larry

 
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posted August 24, 2010 19:14
Case trademark

 
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posted August 24, 2010 19:17
Initials MMS on case back

 
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posted August 24, 2010 19:21
Hamilton Movement Serial No. 1640347.

 
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posted August 24, 2010 19:23
Hamilton dial

 
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posted August 24, 2010 20:04
Larry

Beautiful watch as usual!

Marshall M. Sayre according to the 1920 Federal Census was living in New Creek Mineral Country West Virginia. He was born about 1848 in WV & was married to Mary E. born about 1854 in WV, living with them was a daughter Hallie M. born about 1879 in WV. Marshall is listed as a conductor for the B&O railroad.

I will see what else I can find later this evening.

Tom
 
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posted August 24, 2010 20:24
Amazing work Tom..Now, if you can help me find this guy... Last seen leaving a Boeing 727 east of Seattle....Heres a picture, aka D.B. Cooper...I’ll split the reward with ya Big Grin

 
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posted August 24, 2010 21:12
Larry that is a beautiful watch and for 60 years service that,s a great piece of railroad history.. Smile
 
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posted August 24, 2010 22:28
Larry

Here is something you don't find too often, the newspaper article about him being presented that watch. It was published in the Cumberland Evening Times Cumberland Maryland 06/20/1923 page 16.

I have also emailed you the entire page in PDF formant

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posted August 24, 2010 23:27
So very cool, beautiful and touching to be able to hold a man's life in your hand like that, when you have the inscribed watch and the other provenance to tie it in to the biographical events.


Best Regards,

Ed
 
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posted August 25, 2010 00:02
This is just OVERWHELMING to be able to piece the historical events with such precision even down to the actual wordings that are indeed inscribed on the very watch Big Grin

Hats off to Tom and I'm buying the next round so bellyup to the bar



regards,
bb

 
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posted August 25, 2010 01:48
Samie and Larry - you both have beautiful watches with incredible stories to go with them! Big Grin You are lucky to have found them and can be their caretakers.!

And thank you, Tom, for the sleuthing out the bits of information that you find that adds the personal details of the previous owners to the watches we now cherish!

Buster - is that next round for all of us or just Tom? If all of us, I'll have an Amarula!
 
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posted August 25, 2010 09:03
BARTENDER !!

Bring Mary Ann a double, and keep them coming Big Grin

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posted August 25, 2010 12:53
Here is an obit. from when one of his daughters passed away in 1912;

SAYRE, Miss Frances Batten

Miss Frances Sayre, aged 31 years, died at 11:30 am, November 21, 1912, at the Hoffman Hospital. About one week ago, Miss Sayre underwent an operation for appendicitis. She was daughter of Marshall Sayre, the old and well known B&O conductor, and was one of the most popular young women in Keyser. She was employed as a stenographer in the office of J. J. Z. Terrell, local B&O agent. Aside from her parents, she is survived by a sister, Miss Hallie Sayre; employed in the post office. Funeral arrangements have not been made.
Keyser Tribune, November 22, 1912
 
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posted August 25, 2010 13:08
Thank you Tom:

I appreciate the full-page newspaper from June 20, 1923. It sure gives me provenance about this pocket watch, and the time when it was presented. It would be great to go back in a time machine, and have a conversation with Marshall about his long career with the B & O Railroad.

Larry
 
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posted August 25, 2010 14:09
...especially about his service on the road during the Civil War, as if my math is right, he hired on in 1865.

West Virginia came to be during the conflict, and the B&O was considered a Federal railroad.

THOSE stories would have been fascinating!

Regards! Mark
 
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