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| IHC Member 708 |
Hallmark? Is anyone familair with this name for a size 12 or any pocketwatch. Steve Cohen  | ||
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Steven, Can you possibly enlarge your pic so we may be able to see the hallmark? Maybe one of our members can help with the enlargement? Stephanie O'Neil | |||
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| IHC Member 708 |
I'll try Steve Cohen | |||
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| IHC Member 708 |
I hope this is better. I think it could be an Illinois model 5 Steve Cohen  | |||
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| IHC Member 708 |
This is the dial Steve Cohen  | |||
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Welcome aboard Steve! It was great talking with you on the phone earlier today. About your watch, a "Find-Or-Search" of "Hallmark" on our site brings up this topic wherein Jerry Treiman identified the private label seller as being Macy's Department Stores... TOPIC: "Pocketwatch identify help requested" by Mark Cross If you share the movement serial number it will help us to narrow it further. The Illinois Watch Company probably made more private labels than any other makers. Again, it's great to have you with us. Lindell  | |||
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| IHC Member 708 |
The number is 3011014 and I enjoyed talking to you too! Steve Cohen | |||
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Thanks Steve, Your movement number 3011014 turns out to be from a run consisting of 3011001-3012000 inclusive. Those are 12/14-size Pendant-Set, Open-Face, 15-Jewel, Model 4, Grade 503 from 1916 Illinois production and private labeled to the "Hallmark Watch Company" according the Bill Meggers listings in the Illinois Encyclopedia. Checking into the private label names further, same source, we find "Hallmark" watches were produced by Illinois for the R. H. Macy Department Stores of New York City and three grades of 16-size as well as five grades of the 12/14-size are listed. Looks like some 5,510 of the unadjusted Grade 503 like yours were made. Hope this helps, Lindell | |||
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| IHC Member 708 |
Thanks for the help, Lindell. I was trying to decide wether to buy it or not. I think i'll buy it. the price is good. Steve Cohen | |||
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It is frustrating how one's mistakes can haunt them. My impression that these were for R.H. Macy came from eroneous information in the Illinois encyclopedia by Meggers & Ehrhardt. In fact, the trademark was owned by United Jewelers of Wilmington, DE and later by Louis Aisenstein & Bros. of NYC. This information comes from Kurtis Meyers' "United States Horological Trademark Index" | |||
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Thanks! I hear you are an expert on size 12 watches. I look forward to talking to ALOT! Steve Cohen | |||
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Steve (and anyone else) - I look forward to discussing 12-size* watches at any time. [* generically referring to men's watches in sizes 10 to 14] | |||
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Thanks everbody for your help! I bought the Hallmark watch and it's very nice. You all made my decision much easier  Steve Cohen | |||
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