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I have a friend who lives in Canada and he showed me his Grandfather's watch. It is a 15 jewel, Swiss, HC pocket watch. I could not find a photo in the fat book that is identical. Closest was probably Rolex. I'll defer to the experts.

 
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
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As you can see it is a private label.

 
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
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Dial matches and in good shape.

 
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
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Last photo. Any help is welcome.

 
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
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omega/regina
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
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Thanks Peter. Where did you find that info?
 
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
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seen it before Im not 100% sure but looks like omega
google omega/regina and look at the regulator
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
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It is a Zenith from around 1920 - 1925. See example below.
Regards Krister.

 
Posts: 375 | Location: Backaryd, Sweden | Registered: April 19, 2009
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Thanks to Krister and Peter. it does indeed look like a Zenith. He will now know what he has. Must be a good watch as his story is as follows. Hid Grandfather dropped the watch in the snow and couldn't find it. A horse stepped on (or very near) the snow covered watch and dented it pretty badly. Later they recovered the watch and had it repaired.

It needs a service now. Are there any tricky parts to worry about?
 
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
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No, I don't think so. They usually are straight forward. Like most Swiss watches however, this one has a detent stem. Easy to forget. That's about all I guess.

Regards, Krister.
 
Posts: 375 | Location: Backaryd, Sweden | Registered: April 19, 2009
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Mike I seem to remember that Zenith made 16 size 21 jewel pocket watches that were approved for the Canadian roads in the early 50's. I believe they were possibly used on a few American roads but perhaps someone else has more knowledge of Zenith? I do not do much with European watches but your watch is nice looking and I like the micro regulator.


Deacon
 
Posts: 1004 | Location: Omaha, Nebraska in the USA | Registered: February 14, 2009
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Gentlemen, as a matter if interest the 2013 Price Guide, Pg 24 says a Zenith 16 size, 21j Extra RR56 is an approved watch on the Canadian Pacific Rail system in 1957.

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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Thanks for your comments. Of course this one is a 15 jewel, but I thought the quality looked to be very good. My friend who owns the watch is appreciative of the information he has received on it.
 
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
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That is a nice looking P/L Zenith, anybody notice the elaborate click-spring, wraps halfway around the ratchet wheel.They look like a well built watch.
 
Posts: 1323 | Location: Lebanon, Connecticut USA | Registered: March 28, 2008
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Here is a photo of the dial on my Zenith RR-56

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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The case is the Canadian equivalent to the Hamilton Railroad Model case No. 7 as you can see on my Hamilton 950E with the Canadian dial and 24 hour hands.

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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A view of the dial with the bezel removed

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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A close-up of the dial

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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The Zenith movement

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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Movement Close up-1

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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Movement Close-Up-2

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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Zenith RR-56 case back

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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Inside view of Zenith RR-56 case back

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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Interesting case trademark marked on top with FORTUNE with a tree underneath it and 10K GOLD FILLED MADE IN CANADA and STURDY that were used by the AWC Co. of Toronto. This case has ZENITH with a *

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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Here is another Zenith Canadian private label with Dingwall on its double sunk Arabic 24-hour dial.

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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The movement is marked "Prima DR Dingwall LTD, Winnipeg" David R Dingwall was a prominent CPR watch inspector in Winnipeg. This 19 jewel, Adjusted to 5 positions would be approved for railway service.

 
Posts: 3370 | Location: Okotoks Alberta Canada | Registered: November 22, 2002
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