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Help with identification "Andrew & Co. Ltd. Winnipeg."

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February 03, 2016, 13:16
Mike Hodge
Help with identification "Andrew & Co. Ltd. Winnipeg."
I have a friend who lives in Canada and he showed me his Grandfather's watch. It is a 15 jewel, Swiss, HC pocket watch. I could not find a photo in the fat book that is identical. Closest was probably Rolex. I'll defer to the experts.


February 03, 2016, 13:17
Mike Hodge
As you can see it is a private label.


February 03, 2016, 13:18
Mike Hodge
Dial matches and in good shape.


February 03, 2016, 13:19
Mike Hodge
Last photo. Any help is welcome.


February 03, 2016, 13:30
Peter Kaszubski
omega/regina
February 03, 2016, 16:08
Mike Hodge
Thanks Peter. Where did you find that info?
February 03, 2016, 16:31
Peter Kaszubski
seen it before Im not 100% sure but looks like omega
google omega/regina and look at the regulator
February 04, 2016, 03:40
Krister Olsson
It is a Zenith from around 1920 - 1925. See example below.
Regards Krister.


February 04, 2016, 09:52
Mike Hodge
Thanks to Krister and Peter. it does indeed look like a Zenith. He will now know what he has. Must be a good watch as his story is as follows. Hid Grandfather dropped the watch in the snow and couldn't find it. A horse stepped on (or very near) the snow covered watch and dented it pretty badly. Later they recovered the watch and had it repaired.

It needs a service now. Are there any tricky parts to worry about?
February 04, 2016, 18:08
Krister Olsson
No, I don't think so. They usually are straight forward. Like most Swiss watches however, this one has a detent stem. Easy to forget. That's about all I guess.

Regards, Krister.
February 07, 2016, 19:12
Richard M. Jones
Mike I seem to remember that Zenith made 16 size 21 jewel pocket watches that were approved for the Canadian roads in the early 50's. I believe they were possibly used on a few American roads but perhaps someone else has more knowledge of Zenith? I do not do much with European watches but your watch is nice looking and I like the micro regulator.


Deacon
February 07, 2016, 19:46
Rick Farmer
Gentlemen, as a matter if interest the 2013 Price Guide, Pg 24 says a Zenith 16 size, 21j Extra RR56 is an approved watch on the Canadian Pacific Rail system in 1957.

Regards
Rick
February 09, 2016, 08:23
Mike Hodge
Thanks for your comments. Of course this one is a 15 jewel, but I thought the quality looked to be very good. My friend who owns the watch is appreciative of the information he has received on it.
February 14, 2016, 19:11
Theodore J. Brown Sr.
That is a nice looking P/L Zenith, anybody notice the elaborate click-spring, wraps halfway around the ratchet wheel.They look like a well built watch.
February 20, 2016, 18:59
Larry Buchan
Here is a photo of the dial on my Zenith RR-56


February 20, 2016, 19:07
Larry Buchan
The case is the Canadian equivalent to the Hamilton Railroad Model case No. 7 as you can see on my Hamilton 950E with the Canadian dial and 24 hour hands.


February 20, 2016, 19:09
Larry Buchan
A view of the dial with the bezel removed


February 20, 2016, 19:11
Larry Buchan
A close-up of the dial


February 20, 2016, 19:13
Larry Buchan
The Zenith movement


February 20, 2016, 19:14
Larry Buchan
Movement Close up-1


February 20, 2016, 19:16
Larry Buchan
Movement Close-Up-2


February 20, 2016, 19:17
Larry Buchan
Zenith RR-56 case back


February 20, 2016, 19:19
Larry Buchan
Inside view of Zenith RR-56 case back


February 20, 2016, 19:27
Larry Buchan
Interesting case trademark marked on top with FORTUNE with a tree underneath it and 10K GOLD FILLED MADE IN CANADA and STURDY that were used by the AWC Co. of Toronto. This case has ZENITH with a *


February 22, 2016, 19:36
Larry Buchan
Here is another Zenith Canadian private label with Dingwall on its double sunk Arabic 24-hour dial.


February 22, 2016, 19:40
Larry Buchan
The movement is marked "Prima DR Dingwall LTD, Winnipeg" David R Dingwall was a prominent CPR watch inspector in Winnipeg. This 19 jewel, Adjusted to 5 positions would be approved for railway service.