I have what I believe to be an Elgin National Watch co. Model 3 gr.114 16 sz movement.Serial #6486659 The winding stem exits the body as a stud instead of the more normal square socket. The old movement runs well but I'd like to find some kind of case ,hunter or open ,or a winding stem to convert another case... Or some advise as to how to case this movement, Thanks Mike

Hi Michael,
Elgin's database says it's a hunter case, however I know some can be converted, so I will be interested in this answer too.
I know nothing about repairs or changing watches, so I'll be watching too.

Hello Michael, do you have a photo of the movement that you could post for us to look at.... especially of the stem & crown area of the movement....
It always helps to be able to see a photo of the item because there are many variations to consider....

Thanks,

Jerry

sorry Jerry, I seem to be too ignorant to post a picture. Is there a tutorial?

Michael

Try this link;
https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...56029761/m/380108351

Tom

Thanks Tom,

Michael, I hope this helps you post your photo's but if you get bogged down don't be bashful and call Lindell at the number he posted in the link that Tom gave you....

It is: Phone: 440-461-0167 afternoons eastern time.
He is very good and helpful and will be pleased to help you through the process....

If you prefer, you can send me the photos via email and I will post them for you....

My email is - jerrydk7@msn.com -

Regards,
Jerry

Thanks to Tom and Jerry..... hmmmm. I'll work on compressing files ,Mike

Mike's Elgin....

Mike,

If you take your pictures at the 640 X 480 settings on your camera it will usually work fine without the compression software.

Steve

Michael,
I've run into this problem too. You need to look for a 16s case with a setscrew in the pendant--these have a female stem square that accepts the male winding stem of your Elgin Model 3 movement. These cases are hard to find but do come up for auction on eBay and I've bought several this year. It sometimes takes patience to find one.
All 16s Elgin model 3 watches are housed in cases with setscrews like this and have female stems.

Other Elgins movements with the setscrew pendant case and the male winding stem are the Model 1 and 2 types, and both these are convertibles, and cases are even harder to find for convertibles. The Elgin Model 4 (doctors watch) also has the male stem movement, but a case for this model is extremely rare, and probably wouldn't work because it is deeper (thicker) to accommodate the sweep second wheel. I don't collect other brands of watches, and don't know about their cases and stems. Maybe someone else can help out with this information.

Model 3 case with setscrew pendant, lever set:

John , Thanks a lot. That's exactly what I needed to know. I'll start looking closer on EBay. Don't suppose you'd want to part with one?
Anyone else have a case that they were wondering why had a set screw in the pendent ? Thanks to all the rest of you who are trying to help me post photos. I'm still working on that. Mike

Thanks, J.Elgin, that is helpful information and I will look to see if I may have a case like that one....

Thanks, again....

Regards,
Jerry

OK, so now that I have a couple of cases with the set screws intact, what am I looking for now?

What is the spacific difference between the two?
What does the female stem square look like and what does the other look like?

I have many cases and would also like to know how to take a GOOD measurement of them. Which side do I measure?

1 Difference in female and the other?
2 How to measure the case correctly?

Interesting questions here!!!!
Great information!

Sheila here is a case that recently sold on IHC 185 with the female stem on the case.

Here is the side view of the case.

Tom,
Well how about that! Thank you!
All these years, I thought that they all needed the stem.

So that means that some of the ones I have, may not need that stem, right?

Sheila

They all have a stem one way or another, most have the female part in the watch & the male half is in the case, but some are the opposite, like the one in this post. If you have any movements laying around without cases, look at where you wind it, most of them will be the round cylinder with the square hole in it, that is the female half, it will look quite a bit like the end in the case I posted.

I will get some photos taken & posted later this evening, unless someone beats me to it.

Tom

Tom,
I know just what you mean, I have looked at them a million times and knew the difference, but didn't know that they were labeled male and female. LOLOL

After all these years collecting, and I just get a name for something that I knew all along!!
Can you believe it!

Thank you so much.

Hi Sheila

Glad you learned something new today, I do everyday I come here.

A lot of fittings are named male & female, pretty much any connector in home or office plumbing is either a male or a female, even your garden hose has a male fitting & a female fitting.

Tom

I've always known about the male, female connection, just not as a connection to watches!

I'm the plumber in the family, and just about everything else too, if it was ever going to get fixed, I was going to do it.

To list the things I have done over the years would take a forum larger than this one. hehehe

No kidding, "Do It Yourself" is my middle name.

That's why I get so upset about not taking my watches apart. I can tear down a house and put it back, but not touch a watch!!!!

Oh well, that's ok, I also know when to leave it to the pro's too.

another try

Well Finally !! Mike

Well Mike, now you are a pro!

Looked through all my cases & haven't found one for you yet, I thought I had one, I will keep looking.

Tom

Michael,
Perfect!

Thank you Guys and Gal... Tom , where are you in the Land of Entrapment? Mike