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Help Requested Regarding WW2 Watch...

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February 10, 2024, 15:27
Dr. Debbie Irvine
Help Requested Regarding WW2 Watch...

We recently received an eMail asking about this watch.


"My grandad left me a German WW2 Helma Watch...any info would be great"

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February 10, 2024, 15:28
Dr. Debbie Irvine
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February 10, 2024, 15:28
Dr. Debbie Irvine
"It has a Unitas 173 movement"


February 10, 2024, 15:28
Dr. Debbie Irvine
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February 15, 2024, 20:42
Bila Wirriganwalters
The Letters & numbers on the back (D26885H) could possibly stand for the "property mark & contract number" of the German Army Service. This usually for watches made in Switzerland for them during 1939-40. Also as you said Dr. Deb, a Unitas Caliber 173, and 15 Jewels, also should be a 13 lignes with the meaning of "Wasserdicht" (Water-proof) & "Stossgesichert" being (Shock-proof).
February 16, 2024, 02:37
Dr. Debbie Irvine

Thank you Bila!


February 20, 2024, 01:42
Jim Hester
I am not a German military watch expert, but my guess is that the D and H around the serial number on the back might stand for Deutsches Heer which translates as German Army. Have you access to Konrad Knirim's excellent reference on German military timepieces " Vol I: Militäruhren This is the best place to look for information on your watch and to confirm that it is an issued German military watch rather than just a black faced watch of that general era.
February 20, 2024, 15:56
Greg Crockett
This watch appears to be a WWII vintage, private purchase, Swiss made watch. It is exactly the pattern purchased and issued by the German military. But not all of these watches were German Government issued.

Collectors call these watches, "DH watches." They are highly collectable. If it was a DH watch the letters stand for the following:

The D stands for Dienstuhr = service watch
The H stands for Heereseigentum = army property

To take advantage of collectors, the unscrupulous have been known to stamp D...H numbers on the backs of period but non-miliary watches and pass them off as genuine military issue.

In my opinion, someone stamped a bogus D...H number on the center of the back of this watch. Notice how well worn the back of the watch is. Compare this with how fresh the D...H stamping appears. Further, most legitimate D..H watches have only one serial number on the back. This watch has two serial numbers; one well worn and the other comparatively fresh.

Although I could be wrong, if this watch was offered for sale I would not be interested.
February 21, 2024, 10:29
Dr. Debbie Irvine

Thanks everyone for your help!

Appreciate the input.

Debbie


February 24, 2024, 09:56
Jim Hester
Thanks, Greg, for the correction and great assessment as to whether the DH serial number is a forgery. I would agree with you this is likely a forgery based on the wear patterns.