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Henry Moser "Signals" watch

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October 16, 2017, 10:51
Roy C. Clarke
Henry Moser "Signals" watch
Henry Moser "Signals" watch

Hi everyone here. New member just joined and directed here by a contributor to another forums.
This is causing some head scratching. I have been offered this watch by someone I know reasonably well. It seems to me that it is some kind of pocket watch conversion or else it is what it appears to be with some "improvements" to the dial. I would greatly appreciate some opinions as he is asking a significant price.
Regards, Roy


October 16, 2017, 10:52
Roy C. Clarke
Only one image at a time?


October 16, 2017, 10:53
Roy C. Clarke
and another


October 16, 2017, 10:53
Roy C. Clarke
yet more...


October 16, 2017, 10:54
Roy C. Clarke
and finally...


October 16, 2017, 10:56
Roy C. Clarke
Is there any way of contracting my user name? Whilst not wishing to be positively cryptic I'd prefer to supply a minimum of information in the current climate of identity piracy.
Roy
October 16, 2017, 15:12
Jim Hester
This appears to be a somewhat modified example of the WW 1 Moser Signal Corps, Corps of Engineers, US Army wristwatch. Here is a photo of one that one of the guys here kindly shared with us, along with many other different maker examples of this Army wrist watch that were procured by the Corps of Engineers for the use of certain of their men during the first world war. Some differences are that the hands on your are not the same, and the back has had all of the Army identification engraving either polished off or a new incorrect back cover has been installed.

In general these are not common watches, but they are not solid gold either. One that has been modified might attract a lower price than an all original one in my way of viewing such things, especially one that is lacking its military markings on the back of the case.

Moser Signal Corps watch
October 17, 2017, 09:00
Roy C. Clarke
Many thanks for the observations which coincide generally with my relatively uninformed opinion. I've seen enough of these "military upgrades" to be immediately suspicious.
No one has mentioned the Cyrillic text. I believe Moser had a Russian subsidiary but how would that appear on a U.S. Signal Corps watch? Seems entirely wrong to me.
Unfortunately the person (who I know) who offered it to me paid a four figure sum for this watch and wants to recover it with a profit. Hmm....
Roy
October 17, 2017, 09:05
Roy C. Clarke
Slight misunderstanding. I'd like to truncate my user name for security reasons where general dissemination is involved -
I can't see where this change is possible in my user profile.
Roy
October 17, 2017, 09:25
Buster Beck
Welcome to the IHC185 Internet club !! You will need to contact the administration through an email to make changes to your log in or anything in your profile or contact info.

regards,
bb
October 18, 2017, 07:53
Dr. Debbie Irvine

Roy,

I have updated your profile information.

Debbie

October 20, 2017, 16:57
Greg Crockett
I have found the old Hy Moser watches to be interesting. I have repaired examples of Moser U.S. Army Signal Corps wristwatches and Moser pocket watches made for the Imperial Russian government and Moser watches made for civilian Russian market.

In my opinion, the dial on the above watch has been repainted/refinished with fake Signal Corps markings.

The watch appears to me to be a converted Hy Moser pocket watch. I strongly suspect the conversion from pocket to wristwatch took place recently.

Sorry to be so blunt, but if the above watch was offered to me for purchase I would decline. In my opinion the above Moser watch has no collectors value.
October 21, 2017, 11:54
Jim Hester
Greg knows these much better than I do and I would pay close attention to his thoughts if it were being offered to me.
October 23, 2017, 08:30
Gary E. Cochran
Here is my Moser that I bought several years ago as a project watch...You guessed it, it now sits in a drawer probably will never get refinished...Looks like this one is pin set...


October 23, 2017, 08:32
Gary E. Cochran
Pic #2


October 23, 2017, 08:33
Gary E. Cochran
Pic #3


October 23, 2017, 13:22
Greg Crockett
Hi Gary, Yes, it needs a little work but it is the real thing.