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Seth Thomas #2 needs info (Revised #1 Regulator) "Click" to Login or Register 
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(Update: Dave Turner and myself believe this movement is from a Seth Thomas #1 Regulator)

Here is a Seth Thomas (looks like a #2) I bought at a auction this past weekend.

The case was custom made about 20 years ago.

The movement is trapezoid shaped and market (ST) as shown in photo. My concern is the hands are held on with a nut. Not pin like my other 2- Seth Thomas #2s.

 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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2 more photos.

 
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Look at the way the post are made that go between the 2 plates.

Is this movement old or is it a reissue. Hoping that it is old.

 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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Here is a close up.

 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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Hi Eugene,

Just to be sure are they a total of 8 post in the movement?

Tim
 
Posts: 376 | Location: Conover, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: July 07, 2012
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Eugene,
Mine is just like this one and I'm certain it's original.


Dave Turner
 
Posts: 1975 | Location: Wilson, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: November 15, 2011
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Here is a photo of the center post where the hands are attached. As you can see it is threaded.

 
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Picture of the back of the movement.

 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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Check out the detail of the plate separator posts.

 
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Some one has worked on the verge. To either spread it. Or tighten it.

Not a very Profesional repair.

 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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Look at the detail on the post that the cable attaches to.

 
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I was looking on the Internet and found this Seth Thomas Model 2 77A movement. It is the closest I found to mine. My movement has only 4 post that hold the plates together. But this 77A has a nut that holds down the hands.

 
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Another photo of the 77A model 2 Seth Thomas that matches mine.

 
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Here is a photo of a 77B Seth Thomas model 2 regulator.

This one looks like it might has a nut that holds the hands on.

 
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Tim mine has 4 posts that holds the plates together.
 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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Eugene,

All the trapezoid movements that I have seen, both the 77A and the 77B, have the threaded center shaft. They also have four posts that holds the plates together and four mounting posts/bolts that connects the movement to the back mounting bracket. I'm not sure yours might be a 77A or 77B but all the reproductions I have seen are made similar to the Model 61 movements. This might help further... could you explain how your movement mounts in the clock?

Tim
 
Posts: 376 | Location: Conover, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: July 07, 2012
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This is a 77A that I know is original..This is in a post office #2. These are nice movements!


Bill Carlson


 
Posts: 431 | Location: Billings, Montana USA | Registered: February 05, 2007
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Here is what I have come to the conclusion of mine is NOT a 77A or 77B. My minute wheel is in the wrong place from photos I have posted.


And it does not have 8 screws that go through the brass plates.

 
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My clock is held to clock base that attaches to wood cabinet with tapered pins. No extra bolts like the 77A and 77B.

 
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These are the brass post that stick out.

 
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Eugene, I'm thinking you have a fairly rare clock. For one thing the turned plate posts are reminiscent of what you would see in an early English clock. I've never seen this in an American clock. And the post for tying off the cable wind is also turned. These are straight in all other #2 movements I've ever seen.

And the mounting bracket is also unique. Here's mine:


Dave Turner


 
Posts: 1975 | Location: Wilson, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: November 15, 2011
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Thank you every on for you taking the time with this dilemma.

I am No way saying my clock is a model 19 but they do have the same brass posts that hold the plates together. My guess it is another Regulator model that I have not figured out yet.

 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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Here is the back side of a model 19

 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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I think what you have is a #1, not a #2.

Take a look at this, and scroll down to a #1:

http://www.clockguy.com/American2.html

and here:

http://www.yestertime.net/ac4.htm


Dave Turner
 
Posts: 1975 | Location: Wilson, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: November 15, 2011
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Dave that would make sense since my movement does look like one of the Model 1 Regulators.

Look at the minute wheel location from clock guys model 1

 
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Yestertime model 1 does not look like mine.
The minute wheel is not in same location as mine.
Very confusing.

The pendulum is the same length as my model 2s

 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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Yep, you're right. I think Clockguys is a pretty close match. These are 1880's vintage. You've got a nice clock. Show us the pendulum and the case that came with it.


Dave Turner
 
Posts: 1975 | Location: Wilson, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: November 15, 2011
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Someone made the case in 1999.

It is oak and looks a lot like a #2 case. The pendulum is the same size as a #2.

 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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The dial will have to be replaced.

They drilled a new hole for the seconds hand. But it does not line up with seconds numeral track.
 
Posts: 3322 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
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Looks good!
Here's an ad comparing them.


Dave Turner


 
Posts: 1975 | Location: Wilson, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: November 15, 2011
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Thinking about that dial. Show us a picture. Why don't you consider patching/camouflaging the hole and drill a new one?


Dave Turner
 
Posts: 1975 | Location: Wilson, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: November 15, 2011
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Ran across another point of difference between a #1 and a #2.

The #1 movement is 4 1/4 X 5 1/4 inches, cut pinions of solid steel,

and the #2 movement is 2 1/2 X 4 1/4 inches, lantern pinions.


Dave Turner
 
Posts: 1975 | Location: Wilson, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: November 15, 2011
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I'm bringing to the top because I'm listing this in the the clock auction area of the site.
 
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