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Seth-Thomas Number 2 Case Help!


One of my favorite clocks is the Seth-Thomas Number 2 of which the design went through changes over the years.

In the images below you will see my earliest one, it is from around 1876 production. At some point a decorative part that belongs at the bottom of the case had been lost. Apparently this happened from the huge cast iron weight breaking loose and crashing down through the bottom. Roll Eyes

I've had this clock for about seven years now and all that time have hoped it could one day be complete. One of our members, Tom Boone generously offered to do the woodworking. To accomplish that he will need clear pictures of the base taken from the front and both sides. Wink


You see what is missing from my early Number 2...


 
Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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The bottom-most part of my case Frown is missing!

Do you have a complete one to photograph for us?


 
Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Here is the way my early Number 2 should look.

This is an image of my clock in a factory catalog...


 
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Later they added a seconds register but case is unchanged.

And here's a better image from a later ST catalog...


 
Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Hi Lindell,

Here is a picture of a later version of a ST #2 bottom similar to yours. This one is on ebay now.

Seth Thomas # 2

Another Seth Thomas # 2

 
Posts: 190 | Location: Upstate New York in the USA | Registered: June 27, 2006
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Thanks Rich,

Unfortunately, the first example is a reproduction, the second is a far newer clock than mine and therefore it uses a different design on the lower case. We saw those earier today, and that is a start. What we really need to find is an earlier clock of 1870s design like mine. And as I suggested, seeing details of the side view is what we need most of all.

Again, thank you!

Lindell

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Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Here's a picture of my Seth Thomas No. 2. I've owned it for ten years or so,
and apart from when I stop it for our vacations,it's been running strong every
day since I got it.


Dave Freeman
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Posts: 976 | Location: Texas in the U.S.A. | Registered: January 27, 2004
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Here's a closer view of the bottom of my Seth Thomas


Dave Freeman
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Posts: 976 | Location: Texas in the U.S.A. | Registered: January 27, 2004
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Here's a bit more of a side view.


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Posts: 976 | Location: Texas in the U.S.A. | Registered: January 27, 2004
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Thanks Dave,

You have a nice, considerably later model. I really appreciate your efforts, but my clock is the somewhat earlier model with a huge cast-iron weight in the back. You'll notice it does not have a seconds-bit either. This clock is early and dates to approximately 1876 production. See the image below for more details.

Thanks to you and anyone else who might be able to help with this.

Lindell


There is an iron weight behind the partition...


 
Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Lindell,
Too bad my information didn't help you.

As a point of interest, how old do you think my clock may be? If I were to guess, I'd say it may be around the 1920's, but I've got no records to support my estimate. I'd appreciate your input.

Regards


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Posts: 976 | Location: Texas in the U.S.A. | Registered: January 27, 2004
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Dave et Al:
The link below is to a good ST#2 date guide. You should be able to narrow the date down using the guide. I assume that your case does not have a stamp on the back?
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http://www.clockguy.com/SiteRelated/SiteGraphics/RefGraphics/ST2-IDGuide.pdf


Grant Perry
 
Posts: 334 | Location: Ottawa, Canada | Registered: January 28, 2003
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Grant,
Thank you for the wonderful model identification chart. Using it I've been able to determine my clock was made in the 1913-1922 time frame. Next time I take my clock off the wall I'll look to see if there's a plate on the back which matches up my estimate.


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Posts: 976 | Location: Texas in the U.S.A. | Registered: January 27, 2004
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Hi Dave
By plate are you refering to the date stamp? You understand if it is there it will be backwards with a letter indicating month of manufacture.
ie. 1922 will be 2291 with A=January B=Febuary

Gary
 
Posts: 141 | Location: Northwest Ohio in the USA | Registered: October 02, 2003
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I´m just curious but does anyone have a picture of the movement. Really nice clock. Haven´t payed attention to it before really.
 
Posts: 423 | Location: Västerås in Swedem | Registered: January 02, 2004
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Lindell,
I think these are the pics you need. This clock has the large weight behind the sliding board and the round terry movment.

Larry

 
Posts: 14 | Location: Silver Spring, Maryland USA | Registered: March 22, 2005
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Here's the other pic.

 
Posts: 14 | Location: Silver Spring, Maryland USA | Registered: March 22, 2005
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Larry,

That's exactly what we need! Smile

It was great talking with you a few minutes ago. I especially appreciate your willingness to trace the bottom piece, record the dimensions and send that along by mail. This is what our wonderful hobby is about, helping each other.

Thanks a million,

Lindell

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Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Lindell,
The tracing and dimensions are in the mail.

Larry
 
Posts: 14 | Location: Silver Spring, Maryland USA | Registered: March 22, 2005
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Thanks again Larry! Smile

In response to Bernhard's question the image below shows the very simple but amazingly reliable movement in our Seth Thomas circa 1876 early Number 2 shown in this topic.

Your comments are invited!


Movement in my Seth Thomas circa 1876 clock...


 
Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Yes, like the precision pendulum, suprisingly simple on the first site but truly reliable and accuratly made. Guess that´s something like that according to this movement aswell, isn´t it?
What kind of escapement is it? Graham dead beat?

Really nice Clock, got to get one of those one day. Wink

Thanks for the photo Lindell....


Bernhard Schmidt
 
Posts: 423 | Location: Västerås in Swedem | Registered: January 02, 2004
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Thanks Bernhard,

In response to your escapement question, I really don't know for sure but probably not. I'm sure someone with more experience than I will enlighten both of us.

I am impressed by how well this old clock functions. The point of this topic is to begin lightly restoring it to being the best it can be. With the help received we are well on the way. Smile The movement will be cleaned and serviced along with a new cable.

We'll keep posting in this topic as it progresses.

Lindell

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Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Lindell,
Here is the so called round Terry movement from my clock. Notice the beat adjustment and the pendulum leader. These items are very similar to the set up on my weight driven ST No. 1 double dial calendar clock. I've owned 1s/2s with the rectangular movement like yours only the mounting method was very much like an OG with the movement on a seat board with vertical support pieces.

Larry

 
Posts: 14 | Location: Silver Spring, Maryland USA | Registered: March 22, 2005
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WOW!

That's a great movement Larry, very classy. Cool

Here is another movement almost identical to mine in a slightly later Seth Thomas on eBay right now. It even has an identical board and the same mounting brackets as those in my clock.

That one is claimed to be 1879 and it has a seconds register.


Clock with same board and mounting as mine...


 
Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Dear Larry,

Your tracing and measurements arrived today!

We are on the way thanks to everyone's kindness and willingness to help. Smile

Thanks a million,

Lindell

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Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Yesterday afternoon Tom Boone called. Smile

He said the clock case was ready and he would bring it home.

After seven years of ownership my oldest Seth Thomas Number 2 was whole again.

Thanks to Tom Boone for his craftsmanship, to Larry Stewart for his wonderful close-ups and tracings, to Gary Morgret for images of similar clocks he found for us, to Grant Perry, Dave Freeman, Rich DeYoung, Bernhard Schmidt and everyone else who offered assistance or found this topic of interest.

Thank you for your help and for understanding that our mission as serious collectors is to leave these wonderful horological treasures better than we found them, that when we restore a case like this it must be a faithful and accurate restoration to the original specifications.


Accurately restored, the case is once again whole...


 
Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Lindell,
The clock looks great! The satisfaction of making a clock whole again is its own reward but posterity will sing your praises if not your name.

Nicely done!!

Larry
 
Posts: 14 | Location: Silver Spring, Maryland USA | Registered: March 22, 2005
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Looks like Tom did a very nice job, I have seen some other work he has done and I believe Tom is a very talanted woodworker.

Congratulatios Lindell and I know right where it is hanging.

Gary
 
Posts: 141 | Location: Northwest Ohio in the USA | Registered: October 02, 2003
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GREETINGS, SETH THOMAS #2 MOVEMENTS USED DEADBEAT ESCAPEMENTS, PERHAPS THE EARLIER ONES WITOUT A SECONDS BIT HAD RECOIL ESCAPEMENTS.THE SECONDS BIT RUNS OFF OF THE ESCAPE WHEEL ARBOR,IF THE ESCAPEMENT WERE RECOIL THE SECOND HAND WOULD MOVE BACK A BIT WITH EVERY BEAT OF THE CLOCK AND IT WOULD NOT LOOK CORRECT. EDDIE
 
Posts: 140 | Location: St. Paul, Minnesota in the USA | Registered: June 11, 2008
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Good subject and information. I've worked on 3 Seth # 2s and they have all looked like this on pictured below. They bolt mounted to a metal bracket attached to the back wall and the pendulum hung from a hanger on the back of the case and not the movement. I have never seen one this old. Thanks...


Bill Carlson


 
Posts: 431 | Location: Billings, Montana USA | Registered: February 05, 2007
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I have an old walnut veneer case early No 2 with no seconds bit, no maker name on roman numeral dial. Case in pieces with No glass. No bottom. From all my research this has to be one of the earliest st #2's made.

Can anyone supply photos --both front and side views-- AND dimensions so I can replicate the bottom drop, which is missing? I have excellent woodworking skills and moderate clockmaker skills.

I am new to this forum although I have been a member for a year. So, do I need to supply email address or phone or anything else. Harry
 
Posts: 5 | Location: North Carolina in the USA | Registered: March 10, 2011
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Hello Harry,

Recent health issues have put me way behind and unfortunately delayed my response. But as we discussed a few minutes ago on the phone, it will be my pleasure Smile to help move your restoration forward in any way I can.

To that end, I will trace the operative area of my clock by placing plain paper on the wall and tracing around it which is the method that Larry Stewart employed for me using his clock as a template. I believe that tracing along with the various images in this topic should enable you to properly restore your clock as Tom and I did mine.

Due to the extremely heavy weight they suspended by fragile materials, according to numerous stories in the hobby and trade I believe quite a few of the early S-T clocks were forever-lost due to this sad damage. It is great that today we have the ability share information and encouragement in order to save the survivors.

We all look forward to your "after" pictures my friend.

Best wishes,

Lindell

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Posts: 10552 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
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Lindell: Have you had a chance to do anything with the drawings? I know you said you were busy and I hope to be able to provide some photos within the next few weeks. As I mentioned it is a bit of a mess but I will send what I have.

Thanks,
Harry
 
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