July 10, 2012, 16:13
James CarcioppoloIllinois wristwatch info request
Found this great buy, $125, at an antique I only visit on a lark.
Movt# 5,154,165
Case# 7,988,320
Anyone know model name, production year, what 3/0 means on inside case? Anything else?
thanks,
Jim Carcioppolo
July 10, 2012, 16:21
Martin WagnerJames:
3/0 is the movement size.
The model name could be "Tivoli" as marked on the inside of the case.
Marty
July 10, 2012, 16:27
Dave TurnerJames,
Nice looking watch!
For starters:Grade: 24 Your's was one of a run of 2,000, out of a total production of 114,590 from 1915 thru 1924.
Movement Serial Number:5154165
Estimated Production Year: 1929
Run Quantity: 2000
Size: 3/0s
Jewels: 17j
Movement Configuration: Hunting
Model: 4
Movement Setting: Pendant
Railroad Grade: No
This data indicates the movement was also used in a Hunting style pendant case.
This information is available on: Pocketwatchdatabase.com
July 12, 2012, 20:11
Buster BeckThis is a Model 4 Unnamed grade movement.
"Tivoli" is a case grade and denotes gold filled. Here are a few others;
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Case Grade///////Case Material
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.925 Fine,//- Sterling Silver
Adams,//- Yellow - Mat'l not currently known
Bona Fide,//- Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 20 years
Commander,//- Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 20 years up to March 1895, 25 years after 1899.
Elgin Giant,//- 10K Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 20 years up to March 1900
Elgin Pride,//- 16K Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 25 years up to 1900, 1/4 gold (25% weight was gold) thereafter.
Elgin Tiger,//- Rolled Gold Plate, guaranteed for 5 Years
Empire,//- Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 25 years.
Famous,//- Gold-colored Base Metal
Monitor,//- Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 5 years
Napoleon,//- Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 10 years up to 1900, 25 years later.
Nickel Silver,//- Nickel
Nubian,//- Gun Metal, some w/ Gold Inlays
Pride-of-Elgin,//- 16K Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 25 years up to 1900, 1/4 gold (25% weight was gold) thereafter.
Ramona,//- Gold-Filled, Double Stock, guaranteed for 20 years.
Royal Golden,//- Composition
Spartan Base Metal,- chrome-plated case, introduced in the very late 1920s or in the 1930s.
Supreme,//- Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 10 years - in earlier years
Supreme Base Metal,//- chrome-plated case, introduced in the very late 1920s or in the 1930s.
Tivoli,//- 14K Gold-Filled, Post-1924.
Unmarked,//- Nickel
The Winner,//- (Horse Head Trade Mark), Gold-filled, guaranteed for 20 years.
regards,
bb
July 12, 2012, 22:05
James CarcioppoloThanks Buster, will print that out.
July 29, 2012, 11:28
Bruce StewartJames, according to the Illinois watch reference book by Friedberg, I believe your watch is the "Ace." See attached photos.
July 29, 2012, 11:29
Bruce StewartHere is the description from the book. Hope you can read it.
July 29, 2012, 11:30
Bruce StewartThe book says this model was produced in 1920.