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Stuck two piece bezel question

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January 05, 2015, 17:08
Dave Turner
Stuck two piece bezel question
This watch is a two piece case.
So, while trying to get the bezel off I glued it to this board, but now the very inner ring where the crystal seats is turning inside the bezel, and the back and bezel are still stuck.

What kind of mess have I got now and how do I get it apart?




Dave Turner
January 05, 2015, 18:00
Dave Turner
For further identification, this watch is marked Brevet. Don't know what's inside. I've never seen a two piece bezel?




Dave Turner
January 05, 2015, 18:20
Dave Turner
And finally, (with wood and glue residue).




Dave Turner
January 05, 2015, 20:13
David Abbe
It is a "Gun Metal" cased "popular priced" watch. Possibly cylinder movement. Nice Period Pinup.
January 05, 2015, 20:48
Dave Turner
Thanks Dave,
But, how do I get it apart?


Dave Turner
January 05, 2015, 21:27
Gary E. Foster
Dave, I'm not familiar with a 2 piece bezel, but here's a thought. Going with your attempt at gluing a piece of wood, if you were to drill a hole in your board using a hole saw about the diameter of the bezel outer edge, and try the glue trick again. Good luck.
Gary
January 06, 2015, 00:17
Lorne Wasylishen
Dave, what kind of glue are you using?
January 06, 2015, 08:14
Dave Turner
Super glue. I've used it before to get backs off, but there's very little surface to grab on the bezel and it's curved at that.


Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 10:55
Lorne Wasylishen
As Gary suggested, use a Forstner or spade bit to drill a bit of a depression in some wood then use a hot glue gun.

I have done it without the drilling but it's easy to get too much glue and make a big mess.

When you have them apart apply a bit of lacquer thinner/acetone and after soaking for a few minutes it will release the bezel.
January 06, 2015, 10:56
Kevin Moodie
Dave,

I usually use hot glue.
January 06, 2015, 11:04
Dave Turner
Thanks guys,
I'll give it a try.


Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 15:50
Dave Turner
Well, that didn't work. Either I don't know what I'm doing, (which is a big possibility), or I need a plan B.


Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 17:57
Lorne Wasylishen
Why didn't it work?
January 06, 2015, 18:34
Bruce Stewart
Dave, in your top photo (back view) I seem to see a seam going around the case. Are you positive the back doesn't screw off???
January 06, 2015, 18:54
Dave Turner
Lorne, After at least three attempts, but watch broke loose from the glue, but remained on the board. I did notice each time that the glue was dark and discolored, removing old rust, glue and residue.
I then actually buffed the case somewhat on a wire wheel to remove some of the rust, and the next time the glue was still discolored.

I may try it again.?

Bruce, I've looked at it very closely and see only one seam on the case, at the bezel. The stem also will not pull out to set the watch, but the watch does actually run for a short period. It's also fully wound or will not wind at all.
And I still don't understand why the thin brass ring that holds the crystal will rotate in the bezel?




Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 18:54
Dave Turner
Backside




Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 18:59
Dave Turner
And here's the (glue stick) after the last time.




Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 19:08
Peter Kaszubski
you sure is not press/snap on case?
I will dig out the one that I have and look .
January 06, 2015, 19:11
Dave Turner
Peter, No, I'm not sure. I'd love to see one disassembled.


Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 19:21
Dave Turner
Peter, You're the Man! It is.
Now for the next dumb question.... How do I remove the movement?




Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 19:31
Lorne Wasylishen
Good call Peter.

I would have thought the bezel would at least rotate even with it being a snap on.

I can understand why the crown won't pull up.

Are those screws of some sort at 7 & 8, perhaps holding on some sort of retaining ring?
January 06, 2015, 19:40
Buster Beck
I am fairly sure this watch is a "erotic rotating automaton". The back picture rotates and is "riskee". They usually have a rotating picture dial on the back that has 4 different pictures of lasses in various attire or lack of.

They are fairly expensive, best leave it alone if you don't believe you know enough to proceed, it does have some issues with a lot of rust.....

regards,
bb
January 06, 2015, 19:48
Dave Turner
Got it! Thanks to all of you guys.

This is a swiss Colibri. Whatever that is.




Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 19:52
Dave Turner
Thanks Buster, I did see one on ebay rather pricey.
It came apart without any further damage except for a lot of rust. Can't believe it still runs!




Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 19:53
Dave Turner
side view




Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 20:01
Peter Kaszubski
Believe it its Colibri watch .
January 06, 2015, 20:30
David Abbe
With some care, that should clean up.
January 06, 2015, 20:40
Dave Turner
Thanks Dave,
I think so too. Unfortunately the little glass window on the back is gone. Wonder where I could ever find that part? And some hands. So far, all I've done is loosen the set screw for the stem, which I was afraid would be stuck. The worst rust is right at the stem. The rest looks very decent.


Dave Turner
January 06, 2015, 20:54
Peter Kaszubski
I got small glass cabinet, measure and let me know the dia.
January 06, 2015, 21:02
Dave Turner
Including the brass mounting ring it would be apx 18mm.
Don't know how I would mount it without the ring.??

Here's a borrowed picture.




Dave Turner