August 25, 2013, 20:15
Jon HartOh Gerald - Another one
Found at an estate sale
Movement is built with such craftsmanship - amazing work. Even the "dustcover" has such class
August 25, 2013, 20:16
Jon HartRoughly 48.6 mm across the front of the case - not factoring in pendant
Made in the late 1600's?
August 26, 2013, 02:01
Gerald ZimmermannJon
Indeed a pieco of craftmanship of it's own - in a double sense:
Inner part of a pair case watch; fusee verge; swiss/french made ca 1790.
This type of watch is called 'dutch forgerie'. They were intented for the dutch market, the names affecting a british make. The appearance of the watch is not english at all: it has a balance bridge and all the works are in the continental style.
Rose and Son, London was a fictive name used on those watches (other watches of this type are signed with the (fake) names of famous watchmakers.
Funny enough - you may find an entry of 'Rose and Son' in Bailly or Loomes but not with life-facts. There are just notations of watches and clocks named in such manner that bacame part of famous collections - don't get confused !
Even if they are 'forgeries' they are collectible.
They are genuine verge fusee watches 200+ years old and handmade.
The ebauches of this watch were made by Japy (french Jura):
Regards
Gerald
August 26, 2013, 07:22
Gerald ZimmermannJon
I checked Bailly's 'Old clocks and watches and their makers' :
Rose,Joseph and Son,19 Foster Lane 1765-68
Rose,Joseph,son and Payne,17 Foster Lane 1771-94
our member Tom Brown had a Pocket watch years ago:
Tom's pocket watch This watch has the british style of this time.
And here another example of a 'dutch forgerie'
anther name, same watch Regards
Gerald
August 26, 2013, 09:24
Jon HartGerald,
Looked at the one Tom posted a few years back, his is much prettier
The whole 'dutch forgerei' concept is somewhat vexing, but interesting nonetheless.