Internet Horology Club 185
Watch papers
March 28, 2009, 18:06
Steve GossardWatch papers
Inside an old English paircase watch I have three watchmakers' papers.
March 28, 2009, 18:07
Steve GossardI was never too sure of the hallmark date letter. It is definitely a "P".
March 28, 2009, 18:08
Steve GossardAnd I think the case maker's initials are "CT".
March 28, 2009, 18:09
Steve GossardThe watch is about two-and-a-quarter inches in diameter.
March 28, 2009, 18:10
Steve GossardThe maker's name is "F. Jackson."
March 28, 2009, 18:12
Steve GossardBsillie'd list of watch and clock makers lists a number of Jacksons in London, but no F. Jackson.
March 28, 2009, 18:13
Steve GossardWhat I am even more curious about are the three watch papers that are inside the outer case. They all read "Uhrmager".
March 28, 2009, 18:14
Steve GossardThis one is hardest to read.
March 28, 2009, 18:16
Steve GossardI've always assumed that these were German watch makers, but might have been Swedish, Danish...? Can anyone help identify these people for me?
Steve G.
March 28, 2009, 18:37
Michael KosinenkoHi Steve, I believe it's Danish. In German it's Uhrmacher. The Google translate page from English-Danish shows urmager which might be a current spelling but doing a google search on uhrmager shows most results from .dk domains which is Denmark. I don't know how to identify the watchmakers.
Mike
March 28, 2009, 19:20
Steve GossardThanks, Mike. That is a good start!
Steve
March 28, 2009, 19:46
Jerry KingSteve, my guess on the movement maker is L. or J. Jackson, to my eyes anyway....
Looks as though the watch was made and cased in London but the papers with it do not make any sense to me....
Someone more knowledgeable than I will need to answer that....
Good Luck
Jerry
March 28, 2009, 19:49
Gerald ZimmermannSteve
christiansund + uhrmager = Norway
I'll check the hallmarks for dating
Gerald
March 28, 2009, 19:51
Tom BrownMaybe John will answer up here soon.
I looked in Loomes 21st cent ed. but also could not find a F. Jackson in London.
Jerry
The case papers were like the watch repair person scratching their initials in the case back plus they were goo advertising. It isn't unusual to get case papers from different areas, I have a watch made in London but owned by someone in the US & it has case papers from where he lived.
Tom
March 28, 2009, 19:56
Tom BrownI think your case marks are Silver 925, London 1810
Tom
March 28, 2009, 20:18
Gerald ZimmermannTom won the race (and of course he is right)
Gerald
March 28, 2009, 20:38
Tom BrownGerald
You are better at those than me, I was hoping you would prove me right but I had my doubts. Thanks for the confirmation.
Tom
March 28, 2009, 22:25
Gerald ZimmermannWatch papers
found one of them in an uncomplete address list tax -list 1900:
Solem P. uhmager Kristiansund
I know the paper reads P.Soleim this seems to be the german origin name Solheim.
one of the combinations Kristiansund Christiansund (Bergen that's near) Solem, Soleim, Solheim and uhrmager may work but it should be done by some Norwegian. one other name could be H. Hansen same region and earlier.
Regards Gerald
March 29, 2009, 00:45
Tom BrownHey Gerald
See your member number, welcome aboard, I look forward to all the help you are going to give us.
Tom
March 29, 2009, 09:02
Steve GossardThanks everyone! I've been wondering about this little mystery for years!
Steve G.
March 29, 2009, 09:39
Gerald ZimmermannTom:
Thanks ! I'll do my best. Happy huntings ! Feel free to contact me.
Steve:
Watch; nice looking, handmade and -crafted, age 200, born in London, lived in Norway for a long time, serviced often now on retirement in Illinois USA.
What will a 'Swatch' tell them in 2310 ?
Regards Gerald
March 29, 2009, 14:38
Steve GossardYes, if only they could talk; but then, in many ways they do speak to us, don't they?