Standard 16 Size, 11 Jewel or 17?

March 24, 2011, 21:24

Ernest C. Barnes

Here is an odd duck. Ratchet show Hudson & USA. Ratchet & crown wheel are fake. Is this really a 17 jewel or 11 jewel Standard? Hard to tell from the marking but the center wheel is jeweled. I have not taken this movement down to check the jeweling.

March 24, 2011, 21:25

Ernest C. Barnes

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March 26, 2011, 08:29

Cecil McGee

Hey Ernest, That is a New York Standard. The ratchet wheels are fake. Notice it does not have a click.

March 26, 2011, 17:32

Lindell V. Riddle

That's a very interesting watch Ernest!

My first question would be whether or not the "winding wheels" turn while the watch is being wound. And since there appears to be center jewel it would be worthwhile to see if it is jeweled on the dial side, I cannot help but wonder about the jeweling arrangement and actual jewel-count. But except to satisfy curiosity that may not be unnecessary because in your movement image the "17" looks like it may have been "11" and some amateur "engraver" tried to change the numbers.

Following-up on what Cecil posted, check pages 230-231 of the 2011 "Complete Guide to Watches" and notice the "Remington Watch Co." image on page 230 as well as the page 231 "Remington Watch Co." listing. The picture of that "Remington Watch Co." movement looks very much like yours, apparently the same style of crosshatch damaskeening on plates with stripes on the balance bridge and you will see the "Remington" references on both pages mention an "11-Jewel" movement.

Researching your watch also helped answer a question from IHC Member Jimmy Tower who called me the other day about a "Remington" he had recently purchased. Until today I was unable to respond coherently to Jimmy's question, but now it looks like we may have made some progress on that one as well.

And so there's a "something new" that I learned today!

Lindell

March 26, 2011, 17:46

James M. Tower

Hi Ernest,

Recently I called IHC and I talked to Lindell. I asked him does he know anything about a Remington Watch Co. Today when I again heard from him he told me about your watch, and I couldn't believe that the mechanical of your watch looks the same as mine. Mine is definitely marked 11 Jewels.

Jimmy