Hi All

I need some information on this Washington U.S.A. watch. It is a 16s serial number 8014761. The inside cover has a name engraved "De Witt C. Ramsay 1910" and it is a B&B Royal 20 year case. The case appears to be original to the watch. Hope that helps.

Thanks for any information.

Regards
Keith

Movement

Hi Keith,
It is shown in the Gold book “ American Pocket watches, beginning to end circa 1987” To be a swiss fake with fake winding wheels. Seems like they went to alot of trouble as the dial and what looks to be the original case to the movt is of nice quality. Do the winding wheels turn when you wind it up?.

Hi Ray

Yes wheels do turn. I added more information above, and it is a three hinge B&B Royal 20 year case.

Interesting and rather odd name I suppose. Wonder if it was This one http://www.history.navy.mil/avh-1910/APP02.PDF, the Chief of the Bureau of Aeronatics 1943-1945

My appologies Keith, it is not a swiss fake but rather a New York Standard watch company movement with fake winding wheels. It is listed on page 330 in the 2010 watch guide.

Looking around for a possible De Witt C. Ramsay I found a father & son that are possiblilities.

First the father, I can not find his middle initial listed just De Witt Ramsay. Born about 1847 in New York.

This is from the Capital Times newspaper Madison Wisconsin 08/30/1923

His son is listed in several places as De Witt C. Ramsay, he was born in 1892 & would have turned 18 in 1910 when your watch was engraved.

This is his WWII Draft Card

Thanks Tom you are the best... Good work finding De Witt C. Ramsay.

But now does this case (dated 1910) fit the movement? I would think that the movement is from the 50's? So what should be in this case? Any suggestions...

Regards
Keith

Keith

I don't know a lot about NY Standard watches but according to the guide book they were out of business by 1929. I would think the movement dates to the case, I can't tell if there are other case marks but from your photos I don't see any.

Anyway that is my two cents.

Tom

Quite a handsome watch Keith and looks like the real deal with some history

regards,
bb