Guys,
I know nothing and that maybe an under statement of my pocket watch knowledge. So here is is. I have a very good friend of mine who has a PW (Family heirloom) he would like to get fixed. I know where to get that done. But I am going to take some pics and post here so somebody can tell me what it is.
However here is a message from an email he sent me.

((Looking at my pocket watch. It is an Elgin and has three covers. Two on the back and one on the front. The works are accessible by opening the two covers. On the inside of the first cover on the back and the inside of the front cover it is engraved with "Warrented Dueber".Inside the inner back cover is an inscription I cannot read (Poor eyesight) On the works it is inscribed in cursive "Elgin Natl. Watch Co." The case and the watch have serial numbers. The face is rather plain and similar to a railroad watch with Roman Numerals and the word "Elgin" surrounded by scroll work. The case is gold but not sure if it really is gold because I cannot find any markings to tell me what weight gold it would be.))

So, seeing I wouldn't know a Hunter case from anything else, do you guys have a base opinion.
Thanks

Just a wrist watch guy

Well, the serial number on the movement would be a great help. With that, it's possible to look up the date it was made, grade, number of jewels and so forth. Finding an Elgin in a Duber case is nothing special, such cases would fit any number of standard American made movements.

Best regards,
Greg

Greg,
My curiousity was killing me so I went and picked up the watch which was not working, cleaned it up and went on the quest

SN 4830211 SN Range 4824001
First Yr 1891 Grade 117 (whatever that means)
Size 6s Code h3g29 7jewel

Grade 117 345,000 produce
Runs 57-1
First Year 1891 last Year 1898
Class56

Like I said I have no idea what the grade and codes mean, not that educated yet on PW's

Case has the following Warranted Duber with the folloing number 2441356

So thats all I know, If anybody else can add something I would be grateful, also maybe approx value.

The watch has front cover, on the rear are two covers. One to cover the movement, suitable for engraving the other with the exterior deco engraving with the Duber data and probably the case SN on it

Jim, You have a ladies 6S Hunter case, 7J Elgin in a gold filled Dueber case. At the time this watch was produced, watch companies generally did not sell cased watches. They sold movements. Watch case companies made and sold cases. These were both sold to jewelers. When a customer wanted a watch, he/she would select a movement and then a case. The jeweler would put them together, regulate the watch and deliver it to the prospective buyer.

The movement (7J) is a low grade movement. In the smaller size watches designed for ladies (6S&0S), one can expect to find lower grade movements. Women used their watches as jewelry, not time keepers, so they would put their money into the case and accept a lower grade watch movement.

Hope this helps a little.

Tom

Great Tom thanks alot for the info, I knew that there was an expert out there who could come to the bottom of this, LOL

Thanks
Jim

Lin,
you guys are too much. Actually the watch is in reasonable condition. When I first looked at it I thought there were age spots on the dial. But after closer inspection I realized they were dirt spots on the inside of the crystal.

I cleaned up the case a bit and I will post some pics when I can get some good ones, maybe tomorrow. However, the face on my watch is identical to your pic Lin.

Thanks everybody for the quick and expert help. I am WW guy and like I said know nothing about PW's.
PS don't tell anyone but the elgin data base is where I got my info for my second post, and I was trying to appear like I knew something, LOL