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Sangamo Special Case Finish Question... And Some Answers!

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January 23, 2010, 19:00
Greg Campbell
Sangamo Special Case Finish Question... And Some Answers!
I need suggestions on what happened to this case. At some point the case was dented and I believe someone attempted a fix. My problem is that the gold has worn off to reveal what appears to be white gold underneath....not brass as I would have expected. Then, what do I do with this case? Replate? Live with it? I'm by no means an expert in anything watches, so all opinions are welcomed.
January 23, 2010, 19:01
Greg Campbell
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January 23, 2010, 19:25
Buster Beck
It is very hard to tell from the pictures... The first one looks almost like a film or haze, and the last one looks like someone may have taken the gold layer down to brass, feathered the edges and perhaps nickel electro plated over the area Confused
I think i would run down to the grocery and pick up somes Wrights Copper Cream 8oz. I would put a drop on my finger and massage it over the area. Then wipe off with a kleenez till the residue was gone and see what I had.
That would be my try at figuring out whether it was a residue type film or a nickle plated area. Either way it should either dasappear or expose the brass. Hope that helps Smile
regards,
bb
January 23, 2010, 20:22
C. Keith Johnson
Greg, What does the case look like on the inside? Is it still somewhat dented? If so it could be someone filled the dent in with solder and polished it. I have a case where the dent was filled in with silver solder on a yellow gold filled case and it looks just like your case. .....Keith
January 23, 2010, 20:58
Greg Campbell
Keith it is somewhat still dented. I will try to take pictures of it tomorrow. What would be my remedy for this to make it "right"? This is an unmarked 60 hour and otherwise a very nice watch.
January 23, 2010, 21:39
Lindell V. Riddle

Greg,

Keith has hit the nail on the head.

Looks to me like it was filled-in with ordinary lead solder rather than gold solder. Then it was probably plated by use of an electroplating dipping process that would cover the repair with a thin coating of gold which unfortunately rubs off all too easily. What they did was a cheap, do-it-yourself repair done to mask the problem for a quick sale, but as you see someone actually did more harm than good.

Now, it is still possible to do a proper repair which would involve removing the lid, smoothing out the underside, remove the mess, fill it and then correctly plate the lid using a commercial plating process. Proper repairs are complicated and expensive but well well worth doing.

I have a man locally who could do this work.

Lindell

Wink

May 14, 2010, 18:25
Lindell V. Riddle

Our worst suspicions turned out to be factual.

The case was a mess but it is now professionally repaired and re-plated. Unlike before, all three hinges are now firm and the covers close securely. I found it exceedingly difficult to photograph as the case has such a brilliant, smooth and shiny gold finish. As I stated in an eMail to Greg Campbell, it satisfied Wink even me!

Quite a big difference and it is obvious immediately...


May 14, 2010, 18:25
Lindell V. Riddle

Greg is looking forward to and has been patiently waiting for these images, I hope he likes what he sees.

These BEFORE and AFTER images really tell the story...


May 14, 2010, 18:25
Lindell V. Riddle

Up front, we again see the excellent workmanship IHC Member Don Mathis, this entire case has been professionally re-plated for an overall look of originality.

A beveled crystal from William White completes the job, this will ship to Greg tomorrow.

From every angle this case has a look we can admire...


May 14, 2010, 20:26
Eric Unselt
Thoroughly impressive work - looks like an NOS case. Cool
May 14, 2010, 20:31
Mike LaForest
Oh my! Ohhh Myy! That is a beautiful refinishing job! Thank you for the before and after pictures, Lindell. Such a beautiful watch case!!
May 15, 2010, 11:26
Joyce Munlin
That's beautiful! I didn't know a case could be redone to look so good.
May 15, 2010, 13:34
Buster Beck
This is a very nice end result indeedy Smile
On a scale of 1-10 I would rate it at an honest 9+ Big Grin
Also, the rarity/scarcity of the Sangamo Special 17sz cases made this a candidate for total restoration as shown Eek
Now it does boil down to the next question Confused What did this quality restoration cost Confused Since we are talking about a nice collectable piece and I am guessing not a family heirloom [ where price would not be factored ], I do believe I personally would be satisfied with spending wholesale up to say $200 for this job. That figure would be a "break-even" amount to be considered in the overall effect on the unmarked 60 hr. completed watch. Not knowing the costs, I am out on a limb here BUT facts,reality, & actuality have to be considered since we do now have a case thats not what the purist call "original". On this particular case restoration & originality could not be accomplished.
Complicated isn't it Eek Finally, as a case only the BEFORE product was a $200 item. Now as a case only the AFTER product WITH No Wool Pulled Over The Prospective Buyers Eyes, should be a $400 item. These figures are mine and come from a 25 year perspective of buying/selling RR pocket watches. I do hope no toes have been stepped on in my comments. Just honesty and naturally IMHO and as referenced, that and a $1 will get you a Coca~Cola Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
regards,
bb
May 16, 2010, 03:25
Carlos Cons
Great save! It looks spectacular.
May 24, 2010, 17:54
Greg Campbell
Everyone,

Here is this watch completed and listed in the IHC185 Items For Sale listings...

CLICK FOR: • 23-JEWEL SANGAMO SPECIAL 60 HOUR IN THE "RIGID-BOW" CASE •

Post your thoughts, questions and comments!

Greg
June 02, 2010, 17:01
Mitch Markovitz
Oy, that's nice!