October 08, 2006, 12:48
Michael BoonePrivate Label Joseph Welf & Sons
I was wondering if anybody could identify and possibly date this 0s movement for me. I looked through my rather limited resources without success.
Thanks in advance!
Mike
October 08, 2006, 13:57
Tom McIntyreFrom the few ads I have seen, I would place this watch as Omega/Regina. Regina was a division or brand mark that Omega used for mid and low grade private label watches.
I just acquired a similar private label F. McIntyre, So. McAlester, I.T.
The McIntyre is a closed ebauche with only one supplemental bridge, but the train layout is the same as is the damaskeening pattern.
October 08, 2006, 20:22
Michael BooneTom,
Thank you for the information. It is very helpful. Any idea on an approximate date. There are no serial numbers given in the description. I also know that Omega was not very good with keeping track of serial numbers.
Mike
October 09, 2006, 07:46
Michael BooneTom,
I did see a serial number listed...#616068
Also, was the private label insription on the movement done at the factory or at the jeweler?
October 09, 2006, 10:25
Tom McIntyreI don't know of any dating system for these watches, but I would guess that yours is around 1910 to 1915. My example is a little earlier around 1895 to 1905.
I think the engraving was likely done at the time of manufacture since that was the easiest. However, that required the jobber to accumulate a number of orders and send them to the manufacturer in batches. It is also possible that the watches were engraved by the jobbers. The fact that the engraving is a little lighter than with American private labels would argue in favor of it being done by the jobber perhaps.
Omega watches, as opposed to Omega/Regina generally have engraving of the same quality as American railroad watches whether or not they are private labelled.
By the way my mind is starting to fade on me with too many irons in the fire. My watch has 3 supplemental bridges. It has the center wheel on the barrel bridge and the winding wheels are not exposed. I will be taking some pictures of it later today and will post them then. Its SN is 1283255, which is a little confusing when compared to yours. Fred McIntyre left So. McAlester in 1905, so my watch is unlikely to be later than that.
October 09, 2006, 12:26
Michael BooneThanks again Tom. Looking forward to seeing your Omega/Regina.