March 18, 2005, 20:04
Sheila GilbertHave you ever seen this mark?
Do you know who's it is?
March 18, 2005, 20:05
Sheila GilbertThis my be too light but...
March 18, 2005, 22:46
Kenny DraftsSheila,
Don`t know who made it but best I can figure it`s Swiss or foreign.
Looks like fake winding wheels since I see no click.

March 18, 2005, 23:13
Edward L. Parsons, Jr.Sheila,
Looks a Swiss Fake to me. I've seen that CWC monogram before, on a Swiss Fake. That's to make you think its a Columbus Watch Co. product.
Moreover, the "recessed" pivots, lack of "click" on what is supposed to be the ratchet wheel, all these things point to it being a Swiss Fake. Check the balance wheel, it should be non-split.
March 18, 2005, 23:40
Ed UeberallSheila,
Your watch isn't a Swiss fake. In fact it isn't even Swiss. It was made by New York Standard, under a whole bunch of different names. The tip-off is the lack of a click on either of the "winding wheels". In fact these wheels do nothing except spin around as the watch is wound. The actual winding gears are under the pillar plate, the ones on top are only for show.
You can see a similar movement (hunting rather than the open face in your example) on p. 329 of The Complete Guide to Watches (25th Ed.).
March 19, 2005, 00:17
Sheila GilbertWow! This is actually an ebay item, and I was just wondering what the mark was. The Dial is listed as an Elgin!
I know I have seen the mark before but could not remember who's it was.
This is even better! lots of info on something like this helps a lot.
Now all I need to know is, what's a click?

What do you guys (not) see that I don't? a click?
March 19, 2005, 05:57
Kenny DraftsSheila,
A click is the part on a watch that prevents the mainsprings power from unwinding back through the stem. It is spring loaded and engages the teeth on the rachet wheel. The angle on the click allows the wheel to turn (be wound) in one direction but prevents any reverse rotation. You can see them on exposed winding wheels but on full plate models they are not visible without disassembley. (See pic below)
Ed,
I first thought it was Crown Watch Co. I looked my references (Shugart 1999 and Erhardts Beginning to End) over several times and still haven`t seen the exact diagram. The recessed jewels I had not seen before.
Cliche time - "You learn something new everyday"

March 19, 2005, 06:54
Bernhard SchmidtLooks just a little bit like Waltham m 1892.
/Berhard