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Hampden 16 size, 17 jewel model Gen'l Stark Hunter

I recently looked at the Hampden in the title and I am having a little difficulty determining a ball park value.
Hampden 16 size, 17 jewel, GF Hunter case
- it has been serviced, SERIAL#1690327
-dial is very clean
-movement is also very clean
- hunter case is also in very good condition
- grade General Stark
- model 4
-bridge plate, lever set
My apologies, no pictures and am away from the price guide.
Would appreciate and input on value

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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The Watch Guide says $75-125-200. Hope this helps.
 
Posts: 663 | Location: North Carolina in the USA | Registered: June 01, 2005
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Hi Robert, and thank you. I felt the consignor was high on his price even though the watch is in very good condition...even in CDN dollars.
Much appreciated.

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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Rick, what was he asking for it?

Regards,
Larry
 
Posts: 2733 | Location: Northeastern United States | Registered: February 28, 2010
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Hi Larry, the consignor is asking $365 CDN about $260 US at current exchange.
He also has an 18 size Hampden circa 1908, 21 jewel adj 5p, nice dial and movement, GF case is average. It is at a fair price so I think I will pick that one up and see about a discussion and an offer on the 17 jewel Hunter. It is shiny and I'm a sucker for shiny.

regards
Rick

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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asking and sold for are two different beasts
best bet is ebay look under sold item
some people are attache to some items and will ask way over what item is worth just my two cents.
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
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Thanks Peter, I forgot about that so i will give it a whirl.

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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It's good to remember/consider what it would cost to service one of these also when you consider a price. I have noticed that when a watch is serviced and cleaned up that it will draw quite a bit more than one that isn't.

Regards,
Larry
 
Posts: 2733 | Location: Northeastern United States | Registered: February 28, 2010
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Hi Larry, you're right. That aspect has been tumbling around in my head like a load of laundry. My Chief Financial Officer and buttercup of some 42 years said "what in the world are you fussing about, you said you like and its in good condition so just buy it and be done with it"
Problem solved.
Will post pictures.

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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Good going Rick.

I buy for a few collectors, and sometimes the hardest thing to teach them is that they are "collecting", that you are not buying to sell right away for profit, so if you see a watch that you really like then BUY IT!! Smile

That in no way means that you shouldn't look for a bargain, and try to get the best deal you can. But why loose one that you really like, and want, for a few dollars more.

Like I said also, to service the movement, then clean and polish the case, tighten the bow, and lube the crown, and many times the case threads, means a lot to many collectors who cannot do it themselves. I think sometimes we forget that, when we try to "advise" someone on how much to spend for a particular watch.

If you were to tell me that you were looking at a watch that Tom Dunn was selling, how in the world cold you compare his watch to one that is selling on eBay. I wouldn't hesitate to tell you that you are going to have to pay a little more for it, BUT look at what you are getting for your money. I doubt that you will be spending any more in service etc. on one of his watches, and it is exactly what he says it is.

It really takes a lot of time, and sometimes money, to service a watch and get it ready for sale to a collector.

JMHO and some food for thought. Smile

Regards,
Larry
 
Posts: 2733 | Location: Northeastern United States | Registered: February 28, 2010
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Hello Larry, I sincerely appreciate your consideration, counsel and diplomatic nudge to get off my wide one and buy the watch. Your logic is solid.
I'm usually not one to "fuss" about things...must be getting old. Will take a good look at the baubles today and spend some cash.

Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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Hey Rick, after 40 plus years I have found that it can be better to listen to my CFO also!! Smile

Regards,
Larry
 
Posts: 2733 | Location: Northeastern United States | Registered: February 28, 2010
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I spent some time and had a close look at the Hampden watches. Here is what I discovered.

Pocket Watch Lookup
-Hampden 16s, 17 jewel Hunter case
-serial# 1690327
-Grade Gen'l Stark, model 4
-circa 1903
- bridge plate
- not adjusted
- lever set
- Hunter case

Discovery
- wound the watch, had to give it a SHAKE for the balance wheel to start, sets fine.
-ser# 1690327 on the wheel plate, last 2 digits are impaired and last digit cannot read.
- "Adjusted" appears on the wheel plate
- "Wm Kinley" appears in script on wheel plate
- Deuber case, crest with anchor and "Special" below crest,is a 14k Gold Filled case in great condition
-Dial is very clean, no impairment
Things did not seem to add up so I just backed away on the watch

 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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case

 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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cuvtte

 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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dial

 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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case-2

 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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18 size, 21 jewel, adj. 5 positions, Grade - Dueber Watch Co, ser# 2482816, circa 1908
- serviced but tag indicates loses 5 minutes/day
- case screws are different and one case screw has a plate of some sort for the screw to seat indicating something is amiss
- case is a "Fortune" and shows wear
- it wound and set fine
- dial is Roman numeral, 24 hr inner chapter, one small hairline.
Gave that on a second thought also

 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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case screw

 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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18s dial

 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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I think you did alright , a nice watch is well worth the price . The one thing that cannot be repaired is wear and tear, even gentle use shows after time .
 
Posts: 1574 | Location: Maryland in the USA | Registered: June 04, 2015
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Beautiful dial,shiny movement. The balance arm is
over to the slow side.Perhaps it was serviced but
not timed.

Roger
 
Posts: 4094 | Location: Carbon, Texas in the USA | Registered: January 24, 2010
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Nice Dueber, Rick, that washer under that half-head case screw is likely there because the screw probably bit into the case rim so it wouldn't hold the movement in tight.Those awful half head screws are no doubt the worse invention in all of watchmaking!You should be able to find a good full-head screw to replace it though.Take care, Ted.
 
Posts: 1323 | Location: Lebanon, Connecticut USA | Registered: March 28, 2008
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Thanks for the comments fellas, I cannot get past the fact the serial number on the 17 jewel Hunter indicates a General Stark model, no adjustments, when the barrel plate has Wm McKinley and Adjusted on it. Will have to leave that one in the shop.
I am conflicted regarding the 18 size 21 jewel...might take a run at that one.

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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Rick the 21j Dueber was railroad grade but the General Stark, named for an Ohio general, was not. The Mckinley grade was actually a better grade of watch than the Stark and I cannot account for the discrepancy except to say Hampden records are non existent. By the way I like the Duebers dial.


Deacon
 
Posts: 1004 | Location: Omaha, Nebraska in the USA | Registered: February 14, 2009
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Hello Deacon, I too liked the dial on the 18 size Deuber and I did purchase it. It needs a little TLC as it does run slow as was stated. It's a hefty old fella and in pretty good condition should go in for a tune up and get it up to par.

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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Speaking of General Starks, I ran across a 16s HC example in a pawn shop the other day. What was interesting was that the "Hampden Watch Co." on the dial was printed in red. Is that common?


Eric Wells
 
Posts: 137 | Location: Merrimack, New Hampshire in the USA | Registered: December 18, 2012
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Eric, The general Stark generally came with the red dial. I do not know why and you probably could have gotten a different dial if you wanted but the factory red dial is the common one.


Deacon
 
Posts: 1004 | Location: Omaha, Nebraska in the USA | Registered: February 14, 2009
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Rick that watch is awe inspiring .easily in the have to have category. Congratulations !
 
Posts: 1119 | Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia in the USA | Registered: February 08, 2015
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After thinking about it , I would buy that other hampden too , like Richard said the records are poor at best , another example of this is a dueber 21 i have , not too far from yours and one of the database's is missing half of the info.
 
Posts: 1574 | Location: Maryland in the USA | Registered: June 04, 2015
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Thanks Mike, I thought it deserved to come back to life, it is in pretty fair condition.

Kevin, that 17 jewel hunter, I'm still tossing that one around if for no other reason than the Hunter case alone...after all it is pretty shiny.

Regards
Rick
 
Posts: 535 | Location: Innisfil in Ontario, Canada | Registered: November 04, 2014
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