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IHC Life Member
Master Watchmaker
Picture of Sham Agayev
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Hi Guys. Can anyone tell me anything on this balance wheel with white hairspring. Is this correct? Or is this balance wheel has been installed later? I have recently purchased this watch from a watch collectors estate. I really like it, and I wish I knew more about this movement. Like how many where made, and if this is a nonmagnetic watch? I do know it has missing screw. Thank you.


Sham Agayev, CMW


 
Posts: 164 | Location: Overland Park, Kansas in the USA | Registered: September 15, 2005
IHC Life Member
Master Watchmaker
Picture of Sham Agayev
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Photo of the movement.


Sham Agayev, CMW


 
Posts: 164 | Location: Overland Park, Kansas in the USA | Registered: September 15, 2005
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The white hairspring is correct for the uncut mono-metallic balance wheel, however I do not believe either were original material for watches of this vintage. I think these may have been available much later as replacement parts.
 
Posts: 1455 | Location: Los Angeles, California USA | Registered: January 14, 2003
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Sham

Here's a link to two 21j that fall just on either side of your mvt you can stare & compare. This is in the time keepers photo area. These are extremely nice mvts and seen less often than the 23j versions.

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...6047761/m/9791061242

Production numbers: 1400 open face, 800 hunters.

Charlie
 
Posts: 719 | Registered: December 15, 2002
IHC Life Member
Master Watchmaker
Picture of Sham Agayev
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Dear Jerry & Charlie. Thank you for the info. I would think then my balance wheel has been replaced. I do have a complete 1899 balance wih hairspring, do you think I should put it in to match the other 2 watches?
Thank you in advance.


Sham Agayev, CMW
 
Posts: 164 | Location: Overland Park, Kansas in the USA | Registered: September 15, 2005
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Some Mfr's marked the serial number on the balance wheel arm. I would check the balance to see if the serial # matches the movement, and if not, change it out.

You may want to research it further before doing anything.
 
Posts: 719 | Registered: December 15, 2002
IHC Life Member
Master Watchmaker
Picture of Sham Agayev
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Hi Charlie, The serial number does match under the balance rim. I am lost now.


Sham Agayev, CMW
 
Posts: 164 | Location: Overland Park, Kansas in the USA | Registered: September 15, 2005
IHC President
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Picture of Lindell V. Riddle
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Sham,

There are stories of Walthams remaining in the factory for many years following the original finish date. How may of them are myths and how many are reality is anyones guess today. The "matching numbers" you found could reflect originality or the work of someone doing later retro-fitting or perhaps someone who serviced it years later and wanted to keep everything sorted properly.

If your watch was in fact upgraded, you'll want to consider whether it detracts or is indeed a remarkable improvement that makes your watch all that more interesting. More than once I've thought I was making a "correction" in a watch only to later wish I had not.

Great topic, great watch!

Lindell

Wink
 
Posts: 10553 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
Picture of Jerry Treiman
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At this point there is no replacement that would be absolutely correct (because of the scribed serial number on any replacement balance wheel), but the matching numbers on yours does suggest that your watch may have been sent back to the factory for a replacement balance wheel during the 40's or 50's. I would recommend keeping it as is. [.. a blue hairspring would not be correct .. ]

By the way, the dial is an early Maximus dial, so it is unlikely the watch was merely finished years later, although as Lindell says this has occurred. However, when the factory was in operation one could send a watch back for upgrading or replacement parts. A simple switch or replacement by a watchmaker would have been unlikely to include the scribed serial number.
 
Posts: 1455 | Location: Los Angeles, California USA | Registered: January 14, 2003
IHC Life Member
Master Watchmaker
Picture of Sham Agayev
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Thank you Everyone for the input in this matter. I am going to leave it alone, and keep it in my collection for a while. I love the watch and the time it keeps. I do think that I will put this movement in to a gold case or a salesmen case. I will enjoy it either way. Thank you again.


Sham Agayev, CMW
 
Posts: 164 | Location: Overland Park, Kansas in the USA | Registered: September 15, 2005
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