Internet Horology Club 185
Correctness for an 1886 Hampden

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February 08, 2010, 15:50
Roland Glenn
Correctness for an 1886 Hampden
Picked up an 18s Hampden model 3 grade 55 that needs a good clean, but is running. It has a later 1900's style case which I'll change to a period correct one. The dial is also later style. So my questions are. Will a Dueber triple-hinge coin case be correct? Or back then did Hampden not really come with Dueber cases? Secondly I have a dial that I'd like to use on this 1886 movement is it correct enough?




R. Glenn
February 08, 2010, 15:50
Roland Glenn
Heres the front showing the dial as is.




R. Glenn
February 08, 2010, 15:54
Roland Glenn
Heres the dial I'd like to use from a non-working 1892 movement along with the moon hands.




R. Glenn
February 08, 2010, 15:59
Roland Glenn
And here is the case I'd like to use. I have since replaced the crystal with a thicker bevelled edge. Will all of this be a better match for the era?
Thank you all, Roland.




R. Glenn
February 08, 2010, 15:59
Roland Glenn
Same Dueber case showing the triple-hinge.




R. Glenn
February 08, 2010, 20:58
David Abbe
quote:
Will a Dueber triple-hinge coin case be correct?YES Or back then did Hampden not really come with Dueber cases? BACK THEN THAT IS HOW DEUBER GOT SO INTERESTED IN HAMPDEN, THEY WERE A GOOD CUSTOMER. Secondly I have a dial that I'd like to use on this 1886 movement is it correct enough?YES, BUT THE HANDS ARE MORE LIKELY CORRECT TO WHAT YOU HAVE NOW.

February 08, 2010, 21:15
Theodore J. Brown Sr.
Hi Roland, I think you have the right idea, that dial would be about right for it.Your watch has the Tucker regulator, which is less common than the Teske reg. which were on a lot of Hampdens.Looks like the Roman dial has a long hairline down thru the center.If you're interested, I have one like yours in better shape, or a true double sunk Roman dial off an early OF Hampden, maybe we could make a trade.I could use a later style like yours.Not all 18S Hampdens, especially the Springfield ones were in Dueber cases.I think (but may be wrong) that a case for a watch that old would have had a stem retaining screw in the neck below the crown, instead of a screw-in sleeve/stem combination.Looks like a nice watch you have there!...Ted
February 09, 2010, 00:05
David Abbe
Just as an added point, John Deuber bought controlling interest in Hampden in 1886.
February 09, 2010, 06:55
Roland Glenn
Hi Dave, so switch the case, and the dial, but keep the light spade hands?
Thank you, Roland.


R. Glenn
February 09, 2010, 06:57
Roland Glenn
Hi Theodore, the roman dial has no hairlines, just a slight nibble at the seconds hole, which I'll cover with a different seconds hand, so should be fine. Thanks for the offer though.

Roland.


R. Glenn
February 09, 2010, 16:18
Mark Cross
Roland, you can take a look at my Great Uncle's 1890 John C. Dueber (Hampden) 18 size in this thread:

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...971062532#9971062532

Everything on my watch is original to the watch. Nothing has been changed since he purchased the watch in 1890, and it's been in the family all this time.

As you can see, it has the moon hands like your second watch.

I guess what I'm trying to say is based on what I personally own, the combination of what you propose would have comparibles to my existing watch, that being they came that way from Hampden when they were brand new.

Regards! Mark
February 09, 2010, 20:29
Roland Glenn
Thanks Mark for the info and link to that prior posting. Nice watch for sure.


R. Glenn
February 22, 2010, 10:27
Roland Glenn
Well I've switched bits and here's the finished pocket watch. Unfortunately I wasn't able to use the Dueber case as the winding stem wasn't long enough to be able to wind the movement. So I've used a Fahys Oresilver case with a thick crystal with a patent date of 1884, so that should work with a movement from 1886. What do you think?
Thank you, Roland.




R. Glenn
February 22, 2010, 10:29
Roland Glenn
Heres the movement in this case. The screws line up very close to previous Illinois that was in this case.




R. Glenn
February 22, 2010, 10:29
Roland Glenn
Has a smooth back.




R. Glenn
February 22, 2010, 10:30
Roland Glenn
Here's the case markings.




R. Glenn
February 22, 2010, 20:41
Theodore J. Brown Sr.
Looking good, Roland...Those gilt movements do look better in silvroid/silver cases!...Ted.
February 23, 2010, 12:11
Roland Glenn
Thank you Ted. I have a few Gilt oldies and since they were a cheaper grade back then, it seems only fitting to have them in either a coin case or the like.
Thx again, Roland.


R. Glenn