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Interesting find

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July 29, 2016, 16:59
Gary E. Cochran
Interesting find
I found this barrel bridge in a drawer today...I looked and looked but that is all I found...If anyone has an 18 size parts movement around number 497004 [number correction] boy have I got some good news for you...LOL..


July 29, 2016, 17:44
Steven Ford
How much today, Gary??

Steve
July 29, 2016, 21:43
Kevin Hoffman
I knew they were out there but that is the first one I have seen. a spectacular find !

I looked up the [originally posted] serial number, it shows a 21 jewel ball 999 a few numbers earlier show a 17j 925
July 30, 2016, 01:39
Dr. Debbie Irvine

Gary,

It is important to recognize the plate is marked "17-Jewels" so it would have been from a 17-Jewel rather than 21-Jewel movement.

Ball-Hamilton 18-size watches were produced in "Mixed Runs" so it is to be expected that there were instances when other grades such as this Hamilton 17-Jewel Burlington Special could occasionally be mixed in with them. Please do confirm that movement number as this would be an unusual circumstance.

What is especially strange is someone removing that plate from what would have been a very unusual and worthwhile.

Thanks for sharing this uncommon plate with us.

Debbie


(If this item is "FOR SALE" then this topic will be moved to our FOR SALE FORUM as that is a feature of IHC185 Membership.)
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July 30, 2016, 08:32
Gary E. Cochran
Dr. Debbie and Kevin thanks for the info...I rechecked the serial number on it and I had made a mistake and the correct number is 197004...I guess I can blame it on the old eyes....Steven sorry but it is not for sale at this time....Have a good weekend...


July 30, 2016, 10:35
Steven Ford
Thanks, Gary.

(I didn't think it would be for sale.)

Steve
July 30, 2016, 14:33
Roger Stephens
S/N 197004 is a [Hamilton] 937 movement Hunter.

Roger
July 30, 2016, 15:28
Gary E. Cochran
HMMMMM...I have a few 937's..Maybe one will magically become a rare Burlington Special...LOL....
July 31, 2016, 03:42
Donald Trumble
Gary,

You would also need the dial which is nearly impossible to find. And as Lindell taught me cobbled together watches are not a good idea as they could later be used to fool an unsuspecting buyer. ("Let your conscience be your guide")

Roger is correct, the number 197004 is for a 17-Jewel Hamilton 937 Hunter from 1903 production:

http://library.ihc185.com/catalogs/gelson/Image06.jpg

These listings are the most reliable:

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/frm/f/254108073

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...4108073/m/5581025012

Don
July 31, 2016, 09:23
Gary E. Cochran
Donald,
I mentioned that as a joke..I have no intention of putting this plate on a another watch other than the 937 serial number 197004 if I ever would come across it but I probably have a better chance hitting the Mega Millions Lottery than that ever happening...LOL..
July 31, 2016, 13:20
Donald Trumble
Good for you Gary,

There are those who do such things, glad Big Grin you are one of the "good guys" of watch collecting. As was pointed out by Debbie it is strange to find this sort of thing, perhaps the movement was considered beyond repair and it became a parts movement.

Don
August 04, 2016, 15:26
Larry Buchan
Gary:

Hamilton 18 size, 17 jewel, Grade 937 Serial No. 197004 Burlington Route barrel bridge indicates in the Hamilton Watch Co. Ledgers was finished on February 7, 1903 and sold on March 11, 1905 to the Eisenstadt Manufacturing Co. of St. Louis

Here is the barrel bridge on my Hamilton 18 size, 17 jewel, Grade 936 Burlington Special it is marked "17 jewels" "936" and "Double Roller"


August 04, 2016, 15:30
Larry Buchan
Here is my Hamilton 18 size, 17 jewel, Grade 936 Serial No. 498902 Burlington Route on dial and movement Hamilton Watch Co. Ledgers show that the pocket watch was finished on April 16, 1907 and sold on May 6, 1909 and sold to wholesaler Albert J, Haman of St. Paul, Minneapolis.

Photo of the dial with the bezel on.


August 04, 2016, 15:32
Larry Buchan
Another view of the dial


August 04, 2016, 15:33
Larry Buchan
Movement


August 04, 2016, 15:35
Larry Buchan
Movement close-up


August 04, 2016, 15:36
Larry Buchan
Case back


August 04, 2016, 15:37
Larry Buchan
Case trademark


August 04, 2016, 16:02
Larry Buchan
Hamilton 18 size, 21 jewel, Grade 940 Serial No. 455992 Burlington Route on dial and movement Hamilton Watch Co. Ledgers show that they pocket watch was finished on September 16, 1905 and sold on September 19, 1905 to Goddard Hill Co. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Dial with watch bezel on


August 04, 2016, 16:04
Larry Buchan
Dial with watch bezel off


August 04, 2016, 16:12
Larry Buchan
Hamilton Grade 940 Movement


August 04, 2016, 16:36
Kevin Hoffman
I knew one of our members would have the whole watch ! Larry do you have 2 ?
August 04, 2016, 19:11
Larry Buchan
Hamilton 18 size, 21 jewel, Grade 940 Movement close-up


August 04, 2016, 19:18
Larry Buchan
Kevin I only have one of each the Grade 936, and the Grade 940
August 05, 2016, 02:12
Dr. Debbie Irvine

As the old song goes... "Ain't nothin' like the real thing, baby!"

Thanks Larry,

Debbie


August 05, 2016, 06:47
William D. White
Larry "Tales From The Rails" Buchan comes through!
August 05, 2016, 08:25
Gary E. Cochran
Nice watches Larry....