A variant "fully marked" 936 is very nice to have. 936's were the watch at the time for the RR worker. Most are not marked with all the features as this one. Very nice
regards, bb
Posts: 6376 | Location: Texas in the USA | Registered: July 27, 2009
This brings up a question as to "fully marked" and what it means. My understanding is that, early on, Hamilton did not mark the grade on any/most movements, but as those marking became a selling point they began to msrk them. It really does not have anything to do with the superiority, or inferiority of the movement. I have unmarked and low serial numbered, 924, 925, 927, 928, 940, 941, 942, 990, 972, 973, 974, 975, 977, and I BELIEVE A 978 THAT ARE ALL UNMARKED. But I know most would like to have the marked variety. Is there any difference as to quality?
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
Mike I guess that depends on how you reference "quality", I have a fully marked 940 but I think my 936 isn't fully marked. The question of a single roller vs a double roller, or adjusted vs adjusted 5 positions and if someone would consider one to be better than the other. Some of my Elgin grades are marked adjusted and later runs marked 5 positions but in day to day results there does not seem to any difference in the time-keeping abilty. I think many collectors try to collect one of each variation and I have been known to do that for low production Elgins, one from each run. On my Hamiltons fully marked or partially marked they are still nice grades.
Posts: 1797 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
Claude, I agree. I guess it's just the thought of the marking on the movement that makes one more coveted. I have an 18s Elgin in the 123 grade and I do not believe many were made. It is, however, a 15 jewel watch so many may overlook it. Sometimes low production numbers can indicate lack of success, not necessarily, lack of quality. The grade 991 hamilton is a really nice watch but not many were made. The 1883 7 jewel Waltham is probably a low grade movement but they were apparently made by the truckload!
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
Mike I have commented before that sometimes it is hard to understand why some collectors jump all over a 992 but let a equal condition 990 pass by. Gaga over a movement that was made in the "ton" numbers and give a 17-19j movement made in the 1000 or less range the evil eye. Many of my watches are low production 17 jewel version 18 or 16 size movements. On movements like the 940 or 936 fully marked vs partially marked falls behind condition and price when I look but that is my weird trait in collecting. My fully marked 940.
Posts: 1797 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
I pulled my 936 out and it has "Adjusted" up by the serial number and 17 Jewels where Tony's is marked but "Double Roller", Motor Barrel" and "Adjusted 5 Positions" are absent so I guess I have one of the earlier versions. Tony's is a nice looking movement I will have to do a search to see if the variations are shown somewhere on this site.
Posts: 1797 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
I have two 990's the one screw and two screw version and they are simply very nice and well made movements, and put my 992 to shame, my 992B might keep better time because of the better materials in the hairspring and balance but the 992B looks like a dog compared to the 990.
Posts: 1797 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
I feel the same way about the appearance of the 990 and the 991. They are spectacular to put into a display case and display running! I think the 972, and 973's are also very nice to see.
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
What a spectacular watch those 990's are!I had to put on my welding helmet to look at Eric's watch!There must be 5 or 6 different damaskeen patterns on those.I know everyone raves about 992B's, but they can't hold a candle to 990!A work of art if ever there was one...Ted.
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