No Kidding, This beautiful 17 size double-signed "W Batty and Sons Manchester (& Liverpool on Mvt)" turned up in my mail from eBay because there were no other bidders. Preliminary inspection suggests it could be a "find".

Some more details of the watch seem to indicate that the case is 1896 London assay (lower case "a") silver (lion).

This perfectly clean running movement keeps good time and is finished with 19 Jewels, suggesting that it is intended as a high end watch. The jeweling is exactly as most of our US-made 21 Jewel movements excepting the main wheel of the Batty has no jewels leaving a 19 count.

Now comes part of what is driving me "batty" . . . this has a very special laminated Pallet Jeweled pointed tooth lever escapement! . It must be English-made!

Watchmakers & Clockmakers of the World, Brian Loomes 21st cen edition

BATTY, W. & Sons (Ltd) Manchester (Lancs) & Liverpool (Lancs) 1901- early 20c. Sometimes also Paris on imported clocks

Tom

So this is the Hallmark under the dial. Who is this "Batty maker"?

Add number 1

Add number 2

David

Hallmarks:
silver; Birmingham assay; 1900
Very nice watch ; I will work on the maker

Gerald

Tom, You got me "bookin it", I found this 19 Jewel Dent in Alan Shenton's "Pocket watches [of the] 19th and 20th Century". I did som B&W of mine and it sure looks like a "Dented Batty"!

Makers mark : snail on trident in star = Rotherhams & son Ltd London + Coventry

Battyness better ?

Regards,
Gerald

A closer comparison. shows this is exactly the same plate arrangement! I have a Dented Batty!

This Is a Rotherhams Movement which is confirmed by what Shenton speculated about the Dent he pictured in the above page. So we "have a match"! Thank you all very much. Now I gotta write up a new ID Tag. What a beautiful piece of work! Laminated Pallet Jewels, all I can say is; "Holy Moly whatta a lotta work that must have been" for Mr. IKE! BTW the Pallet Fork Jeweling was explained to me very carefully by Chris Abell, and when I asked him if he repaired these (pallets) there was a lo-o-o-ong pause.

David

In the book is a Dented Rotherhams (suggested but not prooved).
You have a Battyed Rotherhams prooved by the mark !

Great find !

Regards,
Gerald

Thank you all for helping point me there!