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While cleaning this, I was marveling at the incredible finish work by Illinois, even putting the plate patterns (I thought were fish scales | ||
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Of course, this being a Getty, I was just enjoying all the work they did finishing plate work only the Watchmaker ever sees. | |||
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I remain puzzled though, as the "Blue Bible" refers to this platework as a "Bright Spotted Third Pattern", for the 2800 of these movements ever done, and it still looks like Fish scales to me. | |||
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Regardless, it remains a beautiful movement to me because it is a Getty, and it is still in fairly good shape for such an "Old Thing" made in 1894 . . . | |||
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Now I have "whumpped up the gumption" to tackle the 23 Jewel I have been procrastinating on . . . but the question remains are these "bright spots"? | |||
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Dave - a not too close view I would call it fish scales. Up close I would call it wavy lines. Whatever you call it, though, it does present a dramatic finish to the plates! And it's one of your favored Getty's. | ||||
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Mary Ann, These damaskeening terms are like "Bird Watching" to me, giving names to similar critters to describe slight differences at best. The work these people did where you cannot see it os what really impresses me. Look at the superfinished clutch wheels and Damaskeening on both sides of the main plate! ![]() | |||
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David, Here is a picture of a Bunn Special "Fishscale" pattern. It also looks like the scales on a fish and I suppose Meggars had to differentiate the two pattern styles some how. How the "Bright Spot" term came about intriques me. Maybe its the way the light hits it. Steve ![]() | |||
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Good Morning David and Mary Ann, Agreeing completely with Steve and adding just a bit more in the way of explanation. For the most part, terms for each style of Illinois damaskeening were originated by the late Bill Meggers in his efforts to help come up with an easy way to describe the differences that exist between them. The term "bright-spotted" apparently refers to the bright circular area in the center and how brightness from the center gives the look of radiating across the movement whereas with a fish-scale pattern it is the same design all across the movement. Comparisons on pages 126 through 129 of the "Illinois Encycloperdia" might also prove helpful as well as the descriptions Meggers placed within his treatises on the different movement variations. As Steve mentioned, angles and light have quite an effect on our perceptions of these subtle differences. Below you will see a 23-Jewel with a fish-scale pattern, it is one of a mere 330 produced. Various manufacturers including both Hamilton and Illinois used such designs, others including South-Bend also come to mind. Lindell Illinois 23-Jewel Bunn Special with "fish-scale" pattern... | |||
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Thank You Steve, Lindell, and Bill Meggers for explaining and creating some sort of digest to describe this incredibly beautiful finish work. | |||
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