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Elgin 455 BW Raymond questions "Click" to Login or Register 
Picture of Gary Elmore
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I am very new to the Horology so please excuse my ignorance.
I am looking for some input on a watch I just purchased for a project watch.
it is a Elgin BW Raymond 19J 16S grade 455 SN#23297933 in a GF Keystone case.

1. I would like to replace the dial because of the damage but I dont think the one on it is correct. where should I start looking. are there vintage watch part suppliers around other than eBay?

2. A balance jewel screw is missing. once again I will need parts.

3. Last question. isn't the lettering on the movement suppose to be gold?

feel free to point out anything i might have over looked
Thank you in advance for any input you may have.

movement
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
Picture of Gary Elmore
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this is the dial

Dial
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
Picture of Gary Elmore
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this is the case info

case marking
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
IHC Member 1110
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Nice 455 Gary. That dial is not likely original, most 455's would have a "49" dial or a Montgomery.(The 49 dial has extra bold numerals, no red 5-min track, and heavy diamond shaped hour markers) The lettering should all be gold except for the Elgin markings under the balance which should be in black.That will make a really nice watch!Parts should be easy to find. Take care, Ted.
 
Posts: 1323 | Location: Lebanon, Connecticut USA | Registered: March 28, 2008
Picture of Gary Elmore
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Thanks Ted.
I will look for a 49 dial I know the one your talking about. as far as the gold lettering I dont think there is anything I can do about that. I have been carrying it for a few days now and haven't lost a minute. but i dont know about seconds. (yet)
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
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I have one of those 19j beauties. I prefer the damaskeening and regulator on them to the 21j BWR's that followed.
 
Posts: 328 | Location: Plattsburgh, New York in the USA | Registered: December 17, 2012
Picture of Gary Elmore
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I am very happy with it as well. I am timing it now. and haven't lost a second since yesterday. I almost hate to mess with the missing balance jewel screw.
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
IHC Member 1110
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Hey Gary, There are gold inlay kits that are made for gun engravings that should work on a watch also, I've never tried it but seeing it on videos it looks like they do a nice job.I don't know if I can mention the company name on here, but if you search on Google for gold inlay kits it will come up.They only cost around 20 bucks....Ted.
 
Posts: 1323 | Location: Lebanon, Connecticut USA | Registered: March 28, 2008
Picture of Gary Elmore
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Thanks Ted! This was purchased as a restoration project. so it would be worth a try. I'll check it out.
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
Picture of Gary Elmore
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Ted, I just ordered the kit. I'll post pics of the outcome. Thanks again!
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
IHC Member 1110
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I hope it works out, it looks easy to do and not much money, if it can last on a gun, it should be fine on a watch movement.Usually it's the black lettering on watches that gets washed out, I don't remember seeing it happen with a gold letterd watch.Most railroad watches like that were cleaned a million times in their working life, that's for sure.Regards, Ted.
 
Posts: 1323 | Location: Lebanon, Connecticut USA | Registered: March 28, 2008
Picture of Gary Elmore
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Here it is, it took a little practice because the engraving is so shallow. and doesn't have the luster of the gilting but I will leave it at that.

gold lettering filled in
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
IHC Member 1110
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Gary, looks a thousand times better!Regards, Ted.
 
Posts: 1323 | Location: Lebanon, Connecticut USA | Registered: March 28, 2008
IHC Member 1016
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That turned out nice. Congratulations
 
Posts: 3112 | Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon in the USA | Registered: October 13, 2007
Picture of Gary Elmore
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Thanks Mike, I will see how it holds up to a full service.
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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Looks good, now find that screw and you have yourself very nice watch.
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
Picture of Gary Elmore
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Thanks Peter. the new dial is on the way and i have a line on the balance jewel with screws. thats all im waiting for to start the dissassembly.
 
Posts: 38 | Location: Muskogee, Oklahoma in the USA | Registered: March 09, 2016
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