I don't normally collect Illinois or Burlington watches but I will pick them up when the price is right. I have a 16s 21j triple signed Burlington that has the a fancy gold numbered dial marked "Burlington" and I picked up a 16s 19j hunter movement in a base metal case that has a nice Montgomery dial signed "Burlingtion Special". Is there a correctness on the Burlingtons where only the 19j were Burlington Specials and the 21j versions were marked Burlington, the movements are both false center bridge types so the main difference would be the jewel count.

Good question.

That is the most succinct answer I have heard you utter, Dave.... ....and a good one at that....

Regards

Claude, I don't have an answer either....

Jerry

All the ones in the catalog were marked "Burlingtion" on my hunter 16s 19j it has the same DMK effect as the 12s that Steve posted after he finished posting the catalog pictures. The Burlington Special script is different than the one on his dial also. My father-in-law was "yardmaster" at the Sandusky Ohio N&W yard (now NS) and carried a Burlington but his was a 21j with Montgomery dial and a case that has a steamer engraved on back, it is still with one of the grandchildren so it hasn't been lost. To me a Montgomery dial on a hunter appears to look out of place but I don't want to swap with my 21j Burlington if it makes both watches "hookie", the 21j is an open face so it would look more natural but not if the Burlinton Special was never on a 21j. The 19j was on ebay and I picked it up for $50+ship, it runs, dial had one small edge chip but otherwise cleaned up and with a slight dial fix looks great. The hands are all presentable, movement has nice crisp plates, no scratches, no corrosion all stuffed into one of those cheap base metal cases with a diesel train engraved on back. I have a near mint smooth back hunter case that I could easily pop it into, it wouldn't be triple signed but I can live with that. I have one of my Hampdens that I need to send to Dave so maybe it will go out after that.

Great thread,
I just picked up 2 burlington movements and was wondering what dial was appropriate since one didnt have one.

I have 2 Burlingtons.One is a 19J HC Getty 3 finger bridge, with a Montgomery dial marked Burlington Special, also recased into an OF case.The other one is a 19J later bridge model, also with a Montgomery dial only signed "Burlington", in the original marked YGF case.I've always wondered if the Burlington Getty's came factory cased also.I've only seen ads for the later ones.I know that a great many of them have been recased.

Thanks Theodore, both of mine are later center bridge types and not the earlier Getty types. It appears that there is a great deal of missing or lacking information as to waht is correct.

Thanks Claude, didn't mean to steal your dial question with my case question.I've always wondered why they never had the Burlington Special name marked on the movement also.I hope to someday find a decent hunting case for the Getty one I have.I know the value of them is supposedly much less if recased.But I don't care about that, I'm keeping it, it's a great watch.Have you ever seen a factory-cased Getty model Burlington?If there ever were any, there can't be many left....Ted.

Just love this place!! I have two Burlingtons 16s.21jewels both bridge models.One in a burlington hunter case with initals on front and battleship on back,double sunk burlington dial with moon hands,s/n3362160=1918.The other open face in burlington case and double sunk burlington dial with moon hands s/n3471724=1919.Both are very good time keepers.Regards Roger

Theodore I didn't think you were stealing the post since any comments related to 16s Burlingtons is helpful. My 21j has the typical DMK effect or lack of effect but the 19j has a cross-weave type DMK pattern and has gold wheels with round center spokes and has steel escape wheel. The serial number is 2725678, I have done a slight chip repair so the dial looks much better.

Great post Claude,
I have 2 16 size Burlingtons, the 19j hunter has a Burlington special Montgomery dial while the open faced 21j has a Burlington marked dial. Neither are in Burlington marked cases.

I was of the thinking that the earliar models were marked "Burlington" and the later ones were "Burlington Special". Can that be verified by the markings of the ones we have within the club?

Steve

Hey Guys, how about letting us see some of these watches....

Thanks....

Regards,

Jerry

Opps, Steve beat me to it in a roundabout way....

Claude,

I've been doing a search for Burlington's every week on the bay for about three years and can't remember seeing a Burlington Special dial on a 21j 16s.

Ted,

The Getty models are also Burlington factory cased and I own an open face model. The open face triple signed Getty's are easier to find than the hunting cased. Recently a Getty hunting case Burlington Special sold for around $100.00 on the big online auction but it wasn't running. It is triple signed. I've seen triple signed hunting Getty's, but not often, and most the time if the Getty hunting case is signed Burlington it's beat up.

RR

Auction images of triple signed Burlington Getty hunting case

Here is my 19j, hunter, mod 8, grade 805. S# 2570526 with the montgomery dial mkd Burlington Special.

19 j dial

Here is the 21j, open face mod 9 grade 107 with Burlington dial S# 4188431

Dial

Found another in the safe. 21j open face mod 9 grade 107 S# 3666779 with metal 24 hr dial marked Burlington

last dial

A 19j, htr movt. getty, with S# 2141405 was sold on this site some time back as well. Also had a fancy Burlington Special marked dial.

My 21j Burlington, I think the dial and hands are original since the case is correct and appears original. I will post some of the 19j in another post.

Here are some pictures of the 19J Burlington Special.
Dial after clean up and chip repair, then I saw that after clean up another chip repair was visible and I have since taken care of that one also.


Dial before clean up and chip repair


Movement 1


Movement 2

Thanks Fellas, it isn't often that we get to see the Burlington watches and looks like we have some nice ones in the club....

Maybe there will be other members that will bring theirs in also and let us see....

Thanks again....

Regards,

Jerry

Hi all,
I thought I read somewhere that the 21J Burlingtons were adj T & I and 5 pos. and the 19 j were T & I and 3 pos. is that the way they were, or is that only for specific grades. I believe all of my Burlingtons are Grade 107 21j and with RR adj. except for one that is a grade 275 Hunter case. I also have 2 Hy Moser swiss Burlingtons that are 21j and adj 5 pos, but both are pendant set, and I am trying to establish birth dates on those. I have sent a e-mail to Moser & Cie, and they confirm that they are definitely Hy Moser movements, but that they at this time do not have the records to ascertain the whens and wheres. Interestingly both the swiss ones are signed Burlington Watch Co, and in Burlington Watch Canadian cases.
Bill

I have two 19j, triple signed Burlington Specials.

Getty model.
I just love those numbers!

I think the Santa Fe RR line allowed watches adj to 3 positions all the way into the early 20's, some lines had shifted to adj 5 positions but most of these Burlingtons would have "grand-fathered" in as most adjusted watches were as long as they still ran properly (less than 30secs/wk). I figured the hunter 19J was well worth the $50 I paid for it even in the punk base metal case. It is running a keeping decent time but definitely needs a good cleaning. Since I don't typically collect Burlingtons I really don't know a lot about them and finding information is a bit limited.

Thanks Claude for starting this!You smoked out a lot of replies.Seems like a lot of interest in these nice old Burlingtons.I've seen pictures of the Moser Swiss ones Bill mentioned, they're a nice looking watch too.And thanks to Richard R. for answering my case question.....Ted.

Thanks for showing all your Burlington's they are really nice and I agree with you Edward, that Getty does have a nice dial....

Regards,

Jerry