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Can anyone tell me what Ball ser# B204824 should be. Once again I just bought this without checking, and think it is a 19J Ball Waltham, but was also wondering what size it would be ? , and of course any other infromation on it. Thanks in advance, will post when I receive it. Bill | |||
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It is a size 16, open face, lever, Official Std., Bill. Some in this serial number range were 17 jewels. M. | ||||
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Thanks Mike, do you know how many made of this one, and it was mentioned as 2 1/8 inches across, which made me think it was 18s, but if the records say 16 I'm just as happy almost. Thanks, Bill | ||||
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Bill, The 19-J Ball-Waltham ORRS has its 2 extra jewels where they can do some good: a jeweled barrel. That's a feature I like for smooth winding. Best Regards, Ed | |||
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Bill, Agreeing with Mike, I would add that your watch dates to 1904 production and likely came in a marked as "Ball-Model" case, more than 60,000 of the Ball-Waltham 16-size were produced between 1899 and 1922 with the majority of those being 19-Jewel movements. They came in 17, 19 and 21-Jewel, there were both Open-Faced and early-on Hunter configuration. My favorite Ball-Walthams are the Ball Brotherhoods, there were BofLF, BofLE, BofRt, ORC and BofLF&E movement and dial combinations sold and they are very good watches. Hope this additional information is helpful. Lindell  | |||
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Thanks all for the info as usual. I'll post pics when I receive it and then you can critique it for me, Bill | ||||
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Well Finally, I just received it today, and as promised here are some pics of it. I noticed it was not in a Ball marked case, bur could see no other screw marks on the case, and also enclosed a pic of a Ball/Waltham case from an older J - H Auction. The double cutouts for the lever give me some concern tho. Here for your scrutiny and comments. Thanks, Bill  | ||||
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Bill, Both yours and the auction example are in "J. Boss Railroader" cases. Those with the "double-cuts" are usually after-market replacement cases for when the original case wears out. Seeing no other case-screw marks means there was no other style of movement in the case but not conclusive as to whether or not the movement originally came in a particular case. As we discussed previously, your Ball-Waltham number B204824 is from approximately 1904 production. By that time the majority of 16-size Ball-Walthams were sold in "Ball-Model" cases, the case you have is from about 20 years or so later which is about right to be a replacement. Hope this helps, Lindell | |||
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