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Waltham Vanguard 21or 23 jewels "Click" to Login or Register 
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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How often do you see those with 21 jewels plug
and it shows as 23 jewels on my end

 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
IHC Member 1338
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Not very often on the 1892 models, Peter

see more on the 16s ones, at least I have


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Posts: 3041 | Location: Ramsey, Illinois in the USA | Registered: December 15, 2008
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Picture of David Abbe
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Is the Balance wheel cap jewel a Diamond?
 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
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That's cool!!! I'd looked for an up-jeweled plugged Waltham but had no luck till I found a 21j Ball-Waltham up-jeweled from 19j.
 
Posts: 486 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: March 13, 2010
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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yes it is diamond
well is one of few or one of many?
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
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Picture of David Abbe
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That means it was intended to be a 23J and was finished out less the Jeweled Motor Barrel. VERY RARE Peter. Good collectible! I wouldn't be surprised if the Escape wheel also has a diamond cap. Those are capped on both sides, making it a 17J with 4 (extra) Diamond Cap Jewels.

A friend in Boston who has a vast inventory of Waltham materials and has had many friends from the American Watch co. told me that there were these "wrinkles" of production that were sometimes turned out to make deliveries. You have a very rare example of a factory short term "revision".
 
Posts: 6492 | Location: Southern California in the USA | Registered: July 19, 2007
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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what price I can put on that one.
the serial # shows that one to be 23 jewels watch so perhaps they made that one with 2 jewels less
and did the plug to have correct jewels count on plate?
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
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Can not tell you much on what it would be worth Peter, but I am just wondering if it could have been up-jewelled from a run of 19 Jewel Vanguards from the factory, although the serial number looks to early, as I think the 19 jewel Vanguards' don't appear until after the 11 or 12 millions, someone else might be a little more knowledgeable with regard to that.

Your example looks like it is from a run in the 10 millions, this plugging occurred sporadically in early Vanguard runs from memory but more regularly after the 10 million mark, this plugging also occurred with some Appleton Tracy Movements in 17 & 21 Jewel. Another interesting observation is that the plug for the jewel count is gold in colour, all I have seen previously were nickel.

So it has been probably down-jewelled from the 23 -21 as David has alluded to, either way it has gone still a very interesting watch.

Cheers
 
Posts: 2265 | Location: Gladstone in Australia | Registered: January 14, 2011
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What's it gonna take to buy it, Peter?


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Posts: 3041 | Location: Ramsey, Illinois in the USA | Registered: December 15, 2008
Picture of Peter Kaszubski
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thanks all.
 
Posts: 4395 | Location: Arizona in the USA | Registered: July 23, 2011
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