Here is a 12 size 23 jewel Illinois grade 410. What is interesting about this is that it is actually a hunter movement that was converted over by the factory to an open face because they were slow sellers. There were 1000 of this grade made with 300 being converted over to the watch you see here. Notice there was no second hand used on these. Beautiful demaskeen and great looking "Manheimer" case. Breeze received this as a gift from Eileen nearly 78 years ago this week.

Steve

Here is the movement....it is adjusted to 6 positions.

and lastly from the back.

Sharp looking watch!

Steve
I have both a Gr 410 and A Lincoln in the same case. While most of these cases were used by Illinois I have also seen them used by Waltham and Elgin

Here is the A Lincoln hunter movement which is also relatively scarce. The serial number indicates it is an open face movement but it is actually a hunter.

My guess is that the factory wanted to move these hunter movements as they were no longer popular and came up with dials that do not have a seconds bit so that they would look like an open face movement.

Here is another 410 I have. This one is a true open face model.

Steve

and the movement....obviously an open face as the winding wheel is reversed.

Bob,
These Hunter movements are unusual watches to say the least. I find your A. Lincoln very intriquing, I can understand why they would be so hard to come across. Our 410's carry a one star rating but I feel it should be higher. Only 300 of the 410's were done like this and who knows how many of the Lincolns.

Steve

Steve & Robert,
These Illinois watches are absolutely beautiful. Thanks,
Pete

I have a question about the Illinois 410. Meggers and Ehrhardt describe the 410 as: "...Ruby and sapphire jewels in raised gold settings, rounded arm polished gold train wheels, gold balance screws..." I have two of these and neither of them have rounded arm train wheels. The trains are gold, but the arms are not round. From what I can see on this page these examples don't have rounded arms either. Where did Meggers and Ehrhardt get their information?

Steve G.

Both examples shown by Steve have rounded arms and are Grade 410, but the example shown by Robert is not a Gr. 410 it is an A.Lincoln as Robert says it is and he is showing it as an example of being in a 'Manheimer' Case....

Regards,

Jerry

All I can say is that the center wheels don't look round to me. They look beveled.

Maybe I can get the image a bit larger.

There. That spoke looks flat to me. I have seen Illinois wheel arms that looked really, really round, but this one looks flat to me.

Steve G.

Steve,

I think the "bevel" you are seeing is the "rounded" portion of the arm.

Steve

I think you are right, Steve. Thanks.