Hi, i am looking for any info on a elgin grade 348 21j s18 HC
is it considered a quality watch and movement?
Thank you

21j is quality watch,
serial # will be great help

The Elgin 348 was a very rare version of the RR Grade adjusted Hunter Cased Elgin 18 size Model 2 full plate movement. A single production of 1000 of the 21 Jewel Grade 348 movements were produced in 1906. These were clearly designated for the more discriminating watch carrying person. As the Hunter movements were not as popular for RR use, this would be a "showpiece" to carry for personal use.

The value of the Movement is about $275.00 and you can add whatever appropriate value to that for the case.

Peter and david, i want to thank you both for your responses about the elgin 348, thank you art

There are different 348's, some were upjeweled grade 183's from 17j to 21j, some were created from scratch and all of these were in the 11M range. There were another set in the 10.5M range that were converted grade 149's but not marked Father Time but having the same DMK effect as the 149 and there was another later partial run in the 12M range also converted 149 run. The converted 149's are the rarer ones and probably only about 500 in the 10M and 500 in the 12M range. Probably Elgin created this grade as a HC mate to the very popular grade 349, in the line of the 149/150, 155/162 etc. Very nice grade watches with less than 4000 total production with the converted 149's being very highly finished and adjusted to 5 positions.

that is why I ask and is good practice to post serial# of the watch you want to know more
good info Claude.

10422501 10422501 100 348 1903 348 18s hfn2l 21j Adj
first run of grade 348; 1 of 3698 in grade;
# Master Records say: changed from 149 to 348 07/09/1906

10422701 10422701 300 348 1903 348 18s hfn2l 21j Adj
# Master Records say: changed from 149 to 348 07/09/1906

10763701 10763701 300 348 1903 348 18s hfn2l 21j Adj
# 1950 MC says double roller starts at 10763701 listed as G=183 in the 1950 MC but said to be G=348 in the Elgin Master Records

11185001 11185001 139 348 1904 348 18s hfn2l 21j Adj
# originally marked as a G=183 but are G=348 according to the elgin Master Records

11185141 11185141 113 348 1904 348 18s hfn2l 21j Adj
# originally marked as a G=183 but are G=348 according to the elgin Master Records

11185255 11185255 746 348 1904 348 18s hfn2l 21j Adj
# originally marked as a G=183 but are G=348 according to the elgin Master Records

11612001 11612001 1000 348 1904 348 18s hfn2l 21j Adj
# 1915 MC shows grade as "183r", maybe this is a BWR? # I changed this from grade 183 to 348 'cause, well, I think elgin changed the grade

12120001 12120001 1000 348 1905 348 18s hfn2l 21j Adj
last run of grade 348;
# Elgin Master Records say the first 500 were changed from G=149. No watches from the last 500 have been seen. (please report any!)
total watches found: 3698

Would someone please post a picture of a marked 348 to this thread. Thanks
Tony

Here you go..Photo from an old post..

That was from a past discussion of the 348 and 249 that passed through my collection. Both VERY ornately finished: