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Advice on Collecting Factory Cased RR from the 1920s

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April 26, 2007, 19:10
Robert Schussel
Advice on Collecting Factory Cased RR from the 1920s
Advice on Collecting Factory Cased RR from the 1920s

I am looking for some advice on which RR watches( specfic grades) people would suggest.

My goal is to have a nice factory cased example from each of the major companies that were still in business in the 1920s.

I am not looking for expensive ultra rare examples but rather a nice example.For example, I would rather have a nice Type III Bunn Special in above condition (that I could afford) than a Type 161 or 163 in average or fair condition.

Currently,I own the following
1)21j BW Raymond in a factory case.
2)23j Hampden Special Railway
3)21j Bunn Special factory cased
4)21j Ball factory cased with stirup bow
5)21j Hamilton 992B factory cased

The companies I am looking for recommendations include:
a)South Bend
b)Hamilton
c)Waltham (21j or 23j)
d)Ball

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Bob
April 26, 2007, 19:21
Larry Soucheck
Bob, what about Howards? They made some super rr watches which were factory cased.

Larry
April 26, 2007, 20:35
Robert Schussel
Larry
I guess dementia set in early.Yes Howard should be added to the list.

Which grade or grades might you recommend where I could get a good example( ie above average condition) without getting a second mortage.

I do have a OF pendant set 23j unmarked series O in a 14kt Howard case.( Due to fuzzy pictures I was able to pick it up for $245 this year).

Thanks
Bob
April 26, 2007, 22:16
Edward L. Parsons, Jr.
Bob,

Congrats on the Series O Howard, nice buy! Another nice Howard factory-cased RR watch is the Series 11 Railroad Chronometer, which looks very sharp in a Howard bar-over-crown case and also has a cool movement. Took a quick picture of my WGF example:



Series 11 Railroad Chronometer in WGF B-O-C Howard/Keystone Case (circa 1914)


April 26, 2007, 23:03
Clyde Roper
I agree with Ed the Series 11 Howard's are perhaps one of the "coolest" looking early 20th century RR watches, at least to my eyes...I love the coin edge bezel of the bar over crown case, too.

I don't have one YET, and my primary interest is the Hamilton line of RRs, but the Howard 11 is on my short list of RR watches I love and must have at least one example of.
April 27, 2007, 00:39
Robert Schussel
Its nice to know that a 15 jewel 12 size watch would be so admired by the RR crowd--see photo below.

Howard adapted the New York Standard layout for the series 11.

I do agree that in the right case the Series 11 looks pretty good.

Bob

inspiration for series 11

April 27, 2007, 09:15
Joseph T. Collins
Larry,

What browser do you use? I had that "Edit Freeze" problem when I used Yahoo. I switched to Mozilla Firefox and the problem went away.

Joe
April 27, 2007, 11:55
Larry Soucheck
Microsoft IE 6 seems to cause problems. I have IE 7 on another computer which works fine.

Larry
April 27, 2007, 12:01
Clyde Roper
I'm another fan of firefox, seems to work well for me...though I am certainly no computer guru. I just find mozilla/firefox convenient to use (Control + T to open a new window, and the spell check, pop-up blocker, etc.)
April 27, 2007, 12:58
John Pavlik
Robert,

What kind of dial is on your NY Standard......I usually park my NY next to the Howard as an example of what little guys can grow into..if they put there mind to it.. Wink They both keep identical accurate time..
April 27, 2007, 21:24
Robert Schussel
John
As I don't have a digital camera I need to describe the dial. It is white with raised gold colored numbers. Hardly the RR look.

I am hoping I can get some input on a Hamilton,South Bend and Waltham grade that would meet my criteria.

Bob
April 27, 2007, 21:59
John Pavlik
Robert,

They really look similiar...


April 27, 2007, 22:00
John Pavlik
And the dials..


April 27, 2007, 22:09
John Pavlik
Robert,

Every RR colloction should have a Hamilton 950 or 950B..I would also recomend an Elgin or Waltham wind indicator.. I have an Elgin 16 size, but am still looking for an 18 size w/ indicator..


April 29, 2007, 18:12
Robert Schussel
If anyone has a Howard series 11 in above average condition that is in a Howard bar over crown case I would be interested in purchasing it .
I am willing to pay for above average condition.

Bob