Hi Folks

Thought that I would show you this.

It was given to me by a person who escorted German prisoners in WW2 and who swapped it for some cigarettes. It had a broken pivot. All working now. 8 day

Close up

The back with a piece of ribbon still in the back cover

Clive nice clock.

I agree it is a very nice clock. Is there a way to know it is from a submarine as opposed to any other ship of the German fleet? I do not see any special markings.

By the way, the ribbon is for a WW II era Iron Cross, Second Class which was the lowest level of this award. Is this ribbon just a strip of ribbon, or does it have the button holes on the ends to show it was actually worn? During WW II approximately 4.5 million second class iron crosses were awarded. It was an award that all ranks were eligible to receive.

Hello Clive!

I think it's a Junghans message center clock ("Stationsuhr") with 8-day movement. Usually such clocks come in a wooden case, wich you can either put on the table or hang on the wall. Such clocks were also used by Luftwaffe and Heer.

Here some more information and pictures:

http://www.knirim.de/a04mond.htm

Regards
Gerd

Thanks for the info. I know my friend was responsible for overseeing the prisoners in a german submarine base so i guess that he assumed the clock was from a submarine.

Gerd - yopu are right the clock is made by Junghans and it is 8 day.

Jim - the ribbon looks unworn and unattached just a slip of ribbon tucked in the back of the clock.

Kind Regards

Clive

Was "Heereseigentum" marking inside watch case or on wooden case? Is it on this watch?

hi David

The only mark on the back is hte usual Jungans trade mark and J 30 D

Clive

Hi,

wooden case of German Military clocks have often a small impact stamp less than 1/2 inch depicting an symbolic eagle called Waffenamt stamp.

cfr http://www.lugerforum.com/Waffen-NS.htm ).

Clock housings as the one posted have often 'Eigentum' or 'Heereseigentum' stamped together with serial number etc. in the inside but not necessarely.

rgds

Hello everybody,

this is my Kriegsmarine message center clock, in it's wooden case.





As you can see, there are no markings anywhere inside the housing or on the wooden case. Maybe message center clocks used by Kriegsmarine didn't have any markings except the "Kriegsmarine" on the dial. (The engravings on the back plate of the case are not original!!!)

Luftwaffe stock message center clocks were marked inside the housing - "Eigentum der Luftwaffe" - like this:



Message center clocks of Heer were marked "Heereseigentum" usually on the outer ring of the housing where it is fixed to the wooden case.



I hope this helps!

Regards
Gerd

Nice looking watch Gerd!

Tom

Tom,

you are right! And it's in a real good shape for it's age!

hi,

I am pleased to explain what a Waffenamt is so the concept would be available to collectors. As the above posted link explains it was stamped on most German military items.
In the case of these clock housings it was stamped onto the wood between the steel folding legs, the pics clearly show the Waffenamt.
rgds

Dear Enzo,

thank you very much for your posting. Because of the link you posted to get an information on Waffenamt I felt that the Waffenamt stamp was explained clearly enough so my post focused only on the different variants of the markings of message center clocks used by Heer, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine.

By the way, on the wooden case of my Kriegsmarine clock there is no WaA stamp.

Regards
Gerd

Hi Gerd,

it is somehow puzzling the absence of the WaA on some wooden case of vintage German Military Clocks...some have and some have not but that is not enough to say that they are not original...the clock case has been kept in production with the same design after the war to the recent times until it was finally made of plastic resin and equipped with quartz clock.

Therefore dating them is extremely difficult.

Naturally the presence of a genuine WaA is an add-on to the collecting value of the clock....

Anyhow these radio room clocks of yours are very interesting.

rgds

Enzo,

I know about the problems with these wooden cases, unless you don't find the WaA-stamp you never know if it's original, especially when it has got some kind of "patina", like the one I posted.

Regards